LP12 news
Posted by: T38.45 on 30 January 2018
New Urika and new Lingo at the dark site ;-) Sounds cool...it's on their web already!
Innocent Bystander posted:I understand and in general agree with the purist approach, and my own view was that as music is analog, chopping it up into quantised steps inherently is just wrong.
Well, one might say that reality, and therefore perception, is digital - or granular.
The Prefix and Urika method have always made a lot of sense to me, in that you are dealing with the delicate, low level signal from the cartridge as close to the source as possible. Digitising the signal at this point gives some interesting options, some have already been mentioned through the thread.
As with most things in the Hi-Fi game, it's very easy to use your own bias to dismiss these things without actually listening - I would listen to the final result and then make up my mind.
I know my comment was negative ......... I do respect Linn ....... I think chopping it up into digital - has now reached such sophistication that hey it is very very good ........ and I do think RIAA equalization in the digital domain offers an opportunity...for accuracy. On the other hand we have donkeys years worth of refinement in the analogue domain .... and it is superb at what it does in this format....and as a consequence it has that analogue quality...which arguably is a match for the best of digital........
You're right Rich - there are plenty of ways to get the musical fix we need from our kit, and as we all know, the most accurate approach is not always the most fun...
As I am an old git ....... I remember there was a fully laser turntable called the Finial ...... this had a laser pickup and scanned the vinyl LP! ........ this in principle is the technique that should be used - so the source collector is digital - and not a pin sharp diamond on an aluminium stick - mounted in a rubbery suspension thing with a load of coils stuck on the end.... wonder what happened to all those pre production Finial turntables ........... (I think company went bust before units were in production - and only 4 or 5 complete working units were ever made...think this was in and around mid 80's -pass me the shoulder pads!)
Yes another old git here I remember the fanfare, they may have just been unlucky with cd just launched. The finial patents were bought up by Japanese company ELP who market the laser turntable direct to consumers, mainly in Japan. Though they are still very expensive.
Richieroo posted:As I am an old git ....... I remember there was a fully laser turntable called the Finial ...... this had a laser pickup and scanned the vinyl LP! ........ this in principle is the technique that should be used - so the source collector is digital - and not a pin sharp diamond on an aluminium stick - mounted in a rubbery suspension thing with a load of coils stuck on the end.... wonder what happened to all those pre production Finial turntables ........... (I think company went bust before units were in production - and only 4 or 5 complete working units were ever made...think this was in and around mid 80's -pass me the shoulder pads!)
I remember that (had forgotten the name). IIRC the main complaint was that it didn't distinguish between dust and vinyl, and didn't have a needle to clear some of the dust away, or something like that.
The LPs did need to be spotlessly clean - so when it was relaunched I recall that it came with a Loricraft record cleaning machine. I remember speaking to Terry at the time and he was flat out trying to fulfill orders, so I guess at least some were sold.
Dealing with vibration and magnetic current seem somewhat abandoned so the industry is now concentrating on digital which demand less efforts and is much more rewarding in a short period of time. They will say that analogue is a thing of the past.
Richard Dane posted:The LPs did need to be spotlessly clean - so when it was relaunched I recall that it came with a Loricraft record cleaning machine. I remember speaking to Terry at the time and he was flat out trying to fulfill orders, so I guess at least some were sold.
I had been very interested when I had first heard about it, but yes, it was very good at playing dust as abrupt undulations in the groove - the laser was not very good at pushing even the finest, lightest specks of dust out of the way...
Richieroo posted:....... I remember there was a fully laser turntable called the Finial ...... this had a laser pickup and scanned the vinyl LP! ........ this in principle is the technique that should be used - so the source collector is digital....
Surely that is still an analogue transducer? I won’t pretend that I actually know how the thing worked, but don’t the variations in the laser as it tracks the groove still need to be digitised? Not as quaint as an aluminium stick mounted on a rubbery suspension thing, I admit!
Richieroo posted:As I am an old git ....... I remember there was a fully laser turntable called the Finial ...... this had a laser pickup and scanned the vinyl LP! ........ this in principle is the technique that should be used - so the source collector is digital - and not a pin sharp diamond on an aluminium stick - mounted in a rubbery suspension thing with a load of coils stuck on the end....
Just because it used a laser doesn’t make it Digital... laserdisc is a case in point being a laser based reading of an analogue medium.
The currently available laser turntables are designed more for reading records without risking damage rather than absolute sound quality (iirc).
If this actually works and sounds good, wouldn't it make sense for the digitised signal to be stored straightaway into a hard disk or sorts and then it can be played back from that then on.
Which also means, barring copyright issues, all the vinyl can be digitised, stored and played back in an exakt system. No need for no LP12.
silklee posted:If this actually works and sounds good, wouldn't it make sense for the digitised signal to be stored straightaway into a hard disk or sorts and then it can be played back from that then on.
Which also means, barring copyright issues, all the vinyl can be digitised, stored and played back in an exakt system. No need for no LP12.
So it's just a Unitiserve for vinyl owners! Nice idea, but it might be cheaper and easier to just buy the music again in digital.
RIAA Made more precise must be less distortion ,iam assuming they have made all the different curves achievable to be switched brave move by linn but what is the cost