Comrade Corbyn

Citizen Smith - long live the Tooting Popular Front!

Pev posted:

Citizen Smith - long live the Tooting Popular Front!

Thanks for noticing I had the wrong name - amended now!

Eloise posted:

thebigfredc posted:

The Assad regime in Syria had given Obama's platitudes a good ignoring and continued to use poison gas in its civil war, sometimes against the civil population, until Trump came in as president and used 50 or so cruise missiles on Assad's Air Bases.

And what, pray tell, did 50 cruise missiles achieve in putting an end to the Syrian problems?

As far as I know they have not used chemical weapons on the general population since.

thebigfredc posted:

Eloise posted:

thebigfredc posted:

The Assad regime in Syria had given Obama's platitudes a good ignoring and continued to use poison gas in its civil war, sometimes against the civil population, until Trump came in as president and used 50 or so cruise missiles on Assad's Air Bases.

And what, pray tell, did 50 cruise missiles achieve in putting an end to the Syrian problems?

As far as I know they have not used chemical weapons on the general population since.

Apart from using chlorine gas last week.

Huge posted:

thebigfredc posted:

Eloise posted:

thebigfredc posted:

The Assad regime in Syria had given Obama's platitudes a good ignoring and continued to use poison gas in its civil war, sometimes against the civil population, until Trump came in as president and used 50 or so cruise missiles on Assad's Air Bases.

And what, pray tell, did 50 cruise missiles achieve in putting an end to the Syrian problems?

As far as I know they have not used chemical weapons on the general population since.

Apart from using chlorine gas last week.

I thought that was American chicken?

Interesting variation on the current PotUS!

thebigfredc posted:

As far as I know they have not used chemical weapons on the general population since.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.3ddff1678e1f On the 23rd January.

And while not chemical in nature... https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.6e5184faa261 ...with Amnesty International saying “flagrant war crimes” were being committed in eastern Ghouta on an “epic scale.”

It’s all quite ridiculous.  Of course Jeremy Corbyn fraternised with folks from the Communist Block but to suggest he was able to leak sensitive information is absurd.  And dialogue was always recommended.  Even Mrs T sat down with Gorbachev. He (Corbyn) could though do himself a big favour and explain the purpose of the meeting and his recollection just for the record.  

And then of course there is the daftest claim of the lot by this guy from Prague - he seems to have several identities!  - that he was behind Live Aid.  

Must go and smell the coffee

Am I missing something?

Presumably the claimed spy didn’t introduce himself to Corbyn as “a Soviet spy”. The soviets are pretty good at spying, I’d guess the first page of the KGB training manual advises, “Don’t let anybody know you’re a spy”.

The Strat (Fender) posted:

It’s all quite ridiculous.  Of course Jeremy Corbyn fraternised with folks from the Communist Block but to suggest he was able to leak sensitive information is absurd. 

https://www.theguardian.com/po...intelligence-experts

That article also references Darren G Lilleker, associate professor at Bournemouth University - author of the 2004 book Against The Cold War: The History and Political Traditions of Pro-Sovietism in the British Labour Party, 1945-1989.  He states that Corbyn was never sympathetic to the Soviet Union that “He was against both sides, the US and the Soviet Union, seeing them both as a danger to world peace.”

The Strat (Fender) posted:

It’s all quite ridiculous.  Of course Jeremy Corbyn fraternised with folks from the Communist Block but to suggest he was able to leak sensitive information is absurd.  And dialogue was always recommended.  Even Mrs T sat down with Gorbachev. He (Corbyn) could though do himself a big favour and explain the purpose of the meeting and his recollection just for the record.  

And then of course there is the daftest claim of the lot by this guy from Prague - he seems to have several identities!  - that he was behind Live Aid.  

Must go and smell the coffee

I agree. And as a back-bencher on the Opposition benches what sensitive information would he have had access to anyway?  

Huge posted:

thebigfredc posted:

Eloise posted:

thebigfredc posted:

The Assad regime in Syria had given Obama's platitudes a good ignoring and continued to use poison gas in its civil war, sometimes against the civil population, until Trump came in as president and used 50 or so cruise missiles on Assad's Air Bases.

And what, pray tell, did 50 cruise missiles achieve in putting an end to the Syrian problems?

As far as I know they have not used chemical weapons on the general population since.

Apart from using chlorine gas last week.

Huge you are well informed, abreast of  current affairs.

These are the first confirmed use of such deplorable weapons since the intervention by the US with Tomahawks last April. Let's see what Trump does next but my hunch is he will not be sitting on his hands.

No doubt the thousands of civilians blown to pieces by conventional weapons since the tomahawk attack, will be eternally grateful they didn't die during a chemical attack.

Eloise posted:

thebigfredc posted:

I don't remember them (the Labour Party) singing it much when Tony Blair was leader. Bit disrespectful really as its their founding anthem.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/462871.stm

thebigfredc posted:

Although line 3 of the chorus is perfect for Pacificst/collaborator Jezza:

'though cowards and traitors sneer'

Rather Pacifism than War Mongering.

And your rather quoting the 3rd line out of context... given it’s talking about those coward against or traitors to Socialism...

Going back to your original subject though ... given the demands for transparency from May following the claims by Jan Sarkocy, shouldn’t we know if he is being paid for his interviews with the Sun and the Mail?  Apparently though thanks to Mr Corbyn the Czech intelligence service learned vital information such as what Margret Thatcher ate for breakfast.  And another little titbit ... Jan Sarkocy should be being hailed as hero of humanitarian aid given he launched Live Aid ( https://evolvepolitics.com/the...-launching-live-aid/ )

So you admit Corbyn collaberated with the enemy or are you saying he did but it was all very trivial because it was about Margaret Thatcher, and nobody likes her so its ok?

Romi posted:

So you admit Corbyn collaberated with the enemy or are you saying he did but it was all very trivial because it was about Margaret Thatcher, and nobody likes her so its ok?

No, I’m saying that Jan Sarkocy is somewhat of a fantasist (it appears) and is “feeding the trolls / vultures” of the British right wing press.

My post https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...23#74215917412112823 includes a link to a “debunking” article.

But let’s be clear about this if the Guardian or New Stateman or Mirror had an expose on a Redwood like character collaborating with the SA Apartheid regime they’d be doing exactly the same as the leeches in the Mail etc.   

thebigfredc posted:

A lot of stuff in the papers about the current Leader of the Opposition hanging around with top Eastern Bloc  spys in the eighties (sounds like a good title for a Fall song) although I notice they don't go so far as to actually call him a spy. I remember the Labour Party ending their conferences with a rousing rendition of the 'Red Flag' during the Foot and early Kinnock eras. He seems to have been more enthused with the Soviet Union than the European Union.

Would Corbyn not be an intelligence agent hired by Sarkocy, a Czechoslovak secret service spy? Or maybe a different Corbyn, who is now the Labour leader?

The Strat (Fender) posted:

But let’s be clear about this if the Guardian or New Stateman or Mirror had an expose on a Redwood like character collaborating with the SA Apartheid regime they’d be doing exactly the same as the leeches in the Mail etc.   

Yes good comparison from a rough and tumble of everyday politics perspective. There are a couple of crucial differences though: the apartheid regime was an insular entity not trying to impose its ideology on the rest o the world; neither was it part of a greater organisation which had nuclear weapons pointing at the UK. Corbyn seems to not given one hoot about any of that although we won't know for sure until he discloses how he was first contacted by them and why agreed to those meetings.

Ray

I cannot believe this story is actually being taken seriously. It does show though that the Tories are increasingly worried about Labour and Corbyn. Personally instead of giving this nonsense air time I would be more interested in whether Theresa May will refund some of the 'unfair' and 'poor value' tuition fees that my partner is still repaying from her unfair and poor value nurses salary.

I am not worried about Jezza at all. The UK has never had a proper socialist Prime Minister and never will.

The electorate has a right to know the past of somebody putting themselves forward to lead the country, especially if that past involved sleeping with the enemy (and I done mean Dianne Abbot). 

thebigfredc posted:

The Strat (Fender) posted:

But let’s be clear about this if the Guardian or New Stateman or Mirror had an expose on a Redwood like character collaborating with the SA Apartheid regime they’d be doing exactly the same as the leeches in the Mail etc.   

Yes good comparison from a rough and tumble of everyday politics perspective. There are a couple of crucial differences though: the apartheid regime was an insular entity not trying to impose its ideology on the rest o the world; neither was it part of a greater organisation which had nuclear weapons pointing at the UK. Corbyn seems to not given one hoot about any of that although we won't know for sure until he discloses how he was first contacted by them and why agreed to those meetings.

Ray

That’s the point for the most part I think it is stuff and nonsense - we’ll i presume so - but Jeremy Corbyn could simply prove that by just explaining what actually happened.  As it is all we’ve had is a piece from Tom Watson in the Independent accusing the media of “bile and vitriol” l

Corbyn was probably just receiving info from his network of Eastern block spies, informing what was happening there, of course not using the official British secret service because that is part of the establishment serving the Torres and not accessible to or perhaps not necessarily trusted by Corbyn.

The Strat (Fender) posted:

But let’s be clear about this if the Guardian or New Stateman or Mirror had an expose on a Redwood like character collaborating with the SA Apartheid regime they’d be doing exactly the same as the leeches in the Mail etc.   

Only The Sun (and later Times and Mail) don't have an expose on Corbyn collaborating with Czechoslovakian intelligence.  The evidence they have actually shows that Corbyn DIDN'T collaborate with Czechoslovakian, but they are repeating the half-truths from a disgruntled Slovak "spy" who has made some pretty wild, even fantastic, claims which do not hold up under scrutiny ... the kind of scrutiny that a half decent newspaper should be doing.

The most damming accusation is that Corbyn drew the spy's attention to an article in a newspaper - presumably Czechoslovakian intelligence, being (its claimed) second only to the KGB in Eastern Intelligence services, would read the newspapers.

As for Corbyn being a Soviet sympathiser - that doesn't particular hold up either.  He was anti BOTH US and Soviet Union.  He was a supporter of the Prague Spring uprising against the Soviet Union's rule over Czechoslovakia.

You don't need to have sympathy/empathy for a country to be in the pocket of their intelligence services.

Lots of informants do it/did it for the love of money, the thrill of feeling important or worse they simply had no choice as they were being black mailed.

Which of those applied to Agent COB as he was known by his handlers?

I drive a Skoda, does that make me a Czech spy?

I've visited Russia and met some Russians, does that me a Russian spy?

I've visited America and met some Americans, does that make me an American spy?