Because only stupids never change their mind

Posted by: Massimo Bertola on 04 March 2018

As I have posted by way of pictures a few weeks ago, I have added a turntable to my system: a Pro-Ject RPM 3 Carbon with a Grado Blue 1 cart and a Stageline. The Stageline is, for now, powered by my SuperNait but a PSU is on its way.

For years I have refused to do this move, because I didn't like the idea of two very different sources in the same system, which would expose me to the unavoidable risk of comparisons and doubts. As my therapist says, I am dichotomous: it must be this or that.

Now it's this and that, and I am discovering that comparisons are easier to do and differences lighter to carry with me together: it's exactly like I have read for years and systematically contradicted and/or denied: LP is more enjoyable, CD is technically better. Since the move, I have played a number of LPs, some of them quite old and battered, and I have enjoyed each of them; and I have started to finally understand why some CDs sounded boring to me. It's never too late it seems. I am now playing Brad Mehldau's House on Hill, and while the sound is clear, the piano's notes have the proper rising time and decay and so on, I have found all this a very interesting, vaguely entertaining elevator music experience. My 52 years old, mono LP The Firehouse Five plus Two Story, vol.3, is another thing.

Funny that sunny day is here.

M. 

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by MDS

You do like to tinker, Max.  Most important thing is you enjoy what you're doing, as change can be refreshing and good, and not sowing further seeds of doubt. 

Mike

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by Ian F

Hi Max,

I have recently done exactly the same and my experience pretty much mirrors yours.  LPs sound different to CD (mine are streamed) and comparisons are often - but not always- meaningless.  Each must be enjoyed for what it is and with me, is often mood dependent; but there is just 'something' about the whole LP playing experience that strikes some kind of 'enjoyment' chord.  

I find real delight in an evening of playing records that I never experienced the first time round.  As long as that continues to be the case, I figure I'll keep buying records!

Strange old game.

Cheers,

Ian

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by Minh Nguyen

They say that spice is the variety of life. It is good for us to try new things throughout our lives because it procures a natural basis for comparison. Life should be made up of experiences and as many varied experiences as possible. Try different flavours, tastes and textures. Become intoxicated by different smells and aromas. Receive the transfixiation of tembre and sub nucleonic bass. Indulge in pleasures unknown.

I would assume that most members here would agree that having more than one intimate relationship is preferable to only ever having the single one. A known regret that people often have on their death bed is regretting not having enough intimate relationships. They may experience regret with an unsatiated hollowness of not really knowing what another person 'felt' like. It could never be answered in a dream, for that would be too easy. An experience is an experience. The mind knows all: it can never be truely deceived. The polar opposite is also possible: a person may have too many intimate relationships and never feel truely satisfied. A possible remedy in this situation is to learn to appreciate what they have and humbly strive towards the understanding of contentment.

I disagree with your therapist. A truely dichotomous person would only have one CD and only listen to one track. I would describe your condition as "in the pursuit of perfection without realising that you may have already experienced it".

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by MDS

Now that's deep, Minh. Way beyond hi-fi. 

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by hungryhalibut

Could it simply be that Brad Mehldau is a boring and uninteresting musician?

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by TOBYJUG

"I was once arrogant enough to believe I could know nothing.   Nothing as that that ultimately defines something.   But I now know that I will never know nothing. I can only know something because I am something and not nothing".

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by Huge

Minh,

I disagree.  Dichotomous relates quite literally to being cut in two, to be bifurcated.  So Max can have two sources, provided they have diametrically opposed or at least dramatically different characteristics.  Similarly he can have two markedly different CDs and equally two different LPs.  On each he should then listen to two tracks that are as different ends of the spectrum of experiences on that disk. 

Incidentally the reason we seek differing experiences is that we are a specie we thrive by rapidly exploiting opportunities that may arise when new ecological niches occur in the environment.   As part of that biological approach we are omnivores and can obtain nutritional benefit from many different compounds produces by many edible species, a large number of these compounds being unique to that specie or genus.  To help us obtain this varied nutritional benefit we have developed to desire very varied flavours and textures in our food.

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by Minh Nguyen
Huge posted:

Minh,

I disagree.  Dichotomous relates quite literally to being cut in two, to be bifurcated.  So Max can have two sources, provided they have diametrically opposed or at least dramatically different characteristics.  Similarly he can have two markedly different CDs and equally two different LPs.  On each he should then listen to two tracks that are as different ends of the spectrum of experiences on that disk. 

Huge, I politely disagree with your logic. A truly dichotomous system would be binary: 0 or 1, yes or no, ⚋ or ⚊ ????

But of course, one has the option of two choices. I am disagreeing for the sake of agreeing.

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by MDS

Well then, Max can't suffer from this, at least at the moment, because he prefers analogue and not 0s and 1s.  

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by MDS

As an aside, when I first saw the title of Max's thread I thought it was going to be about Brexiteers  

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by Kevin-W
MDS posted:

As an aside, when I first saw the title of Max's thread I thought it was going to be about Brexiteers  

Or remaniacs...

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by Massimo Bertola

For heaven's sake, boys, I only wrote that I bought a turntable. HH, you made me laugh.

M

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by MDS
Kevin-W posted:
MDS posted:

As an aside, when I first saw the title of Max's thread I thought it was going to be about Brexiteers  

Or remaniacs...

Now, now, Kevin.  You're tempting me to raise the topic of footie 

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by TOBYJUG
Minh Nguyen posted:
Huge posted:

Minh,

I disagree.  Dichotomous relates quite literally to being cut in two, to be bifurcated.  So Max can have two sources, provided they have diametrically opposed or at least dramatically different characteristics.  Similarly he can have two markedly different CDs and equally two different LPs.  On each he should then listen to two tracks that are as different ends of the spectrum of experiences on that disk. 

I politely disagree with your logic. A truly dichotomous system would be binary: 0 or 1, yes or no, ⚋ or ⚊ ????

But of course, one has the option of two choices. I am disagreeing for the sake of agreeing.

I'm with Huge here.   Dichotomous is more a term to represent a semantic disclosure within the thought processes of language - communication and understanding what's being communicated.    Rather than a term to represent a mathematical process.  Or am I missing something ?

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by fatcat
MDS posted:

As an aside, when I first saw the title of Max's thread I thought it was going to be about Brexiteers  

Me too.

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by fatcat

A clarification before the dichotomy subject gets out of hand.

Using a CD and Turntable into ONE amplifiers isn’t dichotomy.

But, using a CD player with TWO amplifiers is.

 

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by MDS

Resurrection will be along soon, I'm sure. He'll put us right. 

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by Kevin-W
MDS posted:

Now, now, Kevin.  You're tempting me to raise the topic of footie 

Bah! Gone off football for some reason...

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by Minh Nguyen
Huge posted:

Incidentally the reason we seek differing experiences is that we are a specie we thrive by rapidly exploiting opportunities that may arise when new ecological niches occur in the environment.   As part of that biological approach we are omnivores and can obtain nutritional benefit from many different compounds produces by many edible species, a large number of these compounds being unique to that specie or genus.  To help us obtain this varied nutritional benefit we have developed to desire very varied flavours and textures in our food.

Humanity looked to the heavens for inspiration. They saw our place in the universe. We stood between heaven and earth. Norished by the yang of heaven and the yin of earth. You may like to study my avatar because it describes the Chinese theory of creation. Sources are the dao de jing, I ching and daoism. You may find them interesting or complete and utter nonsense. Perhaps it's time to see through different eyes: waiting feels so long.

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by Richard Dane

I'm now wondering whether this is a hifi topic (and thus to remain in the Hifi Corner) or something else, in which case... 

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by Kevin-W
Minh Nguyen posted:

Humanity looked to the heavens for inspiration. They saw our place in the universe. We stood between heaven and earth. Norished by the yang of heaven and the yin of earth. You may like to study my avatar because it explains the Chinese theory of creation. Sources are the dao de jing, I ching and daoism. You may find them interesting or complete and utter nonsense. Perhaps it's time to see through different eyes: waiting feels so long.

Eh? What have you been smoking?

And can I have some?

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by fatcat

Surely it should be in the corner and padded cell. We can then spend hours/days analysing and discussing which we prefer.

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by Huge
fatcat posted:

A clarification before the dichotomy subject gets out of hand.

Using a CD and Turntable into ONE amplifiers isn’t dichotomy.

But, using a CD player with TWO amplifiers is.

 

Yep, technically correct within the most strict etymological definition, representing the concept of bifurcation rather than combination.  On the other hand it can also be functionally applied to the division of something into two mutually exclusive classifications.

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by Huge
Minh Nguyen posted:
Huge posted:

Incidentally the reason we seek differing experiences is that we are a specie we thrive by rapidly exploiting opportunities that may arise when new ecological niches occur in the environment.   As part of that biological approach we are omnivores and can obtain nutritional benefit from many different compounds produces by many edible species, a large number of these compounds being unique to that specie or genus.  To help us obtain this varied nutritional benefit we have developed to desire very varied flavours and textures in our food.

Humanity looked to the heavens for inspiration. They saw our place in the universe. We stood between heaven and earth. Norished by the yang of heaven and the yin of earth. You may like to study my avatar because it explains the Chinese theory of creation. Sources are the dao de jing, I ching and daoism. You may find them interesting or complete and utter nonsense. Perhaps it's time to see through different eyes: waiting feels so long.

The Dao is a wonderful work, whichever order in which you read it.

My favourite translation is that of Chu Ta Kao.

In a rather general manner I had also recognised the symbolism of your avatar.

Posted on: 04 March 2018 by MDS
Richard Dane posted:

I'm now wondering whether this is a hifi topic (and thus to remain in the Hifi Corner) or something else, in which case... 

Well much of the content is as bewildering to me as discussions about tweaking LP12s