Auralic G2

how can one test such gear at home over the weekend?

Because its you getting used to the sound, it broke in around 15 minutes after you turned it on.

In my opinion its only new speakers thats genuinely "break in".

As I say, my opinion.

garyi posted:

how can one test such gear at home over the weekend?

Because its you getting used to the sound, it broke in around 15 minutes after you turned it on.

In my opinion its only new speakers thats genuinely "break in".

 

As I say, my opinion.

I agree. The brain might need one week, two weeks or even longer to break in, depending on the prior conditioning and expectations. It is plausible that devices perform better after a suitable warm up time, but I think that the brain plays the major role in perceived break in times.

nbpf posted:

garyi posted:

how can one test such gear at home over the weekend?

Because its you getting used to the sound, it broke in around 15 minutes after you turned it on.

In my opinion its only new speakers thats genuinely "break in".

 

As I say, my opinion.

I agree. The brain might need one week, two weeks or even longer to break in, depending on the prior conditioning and expectations. It is plausible that devices perform better after a suitable warm up time, but I think that the brain plays the major role in perceived break in times.

That is my view, too: warm-up over up to a few hours may make a difference and mechanical things like speaker suspensions may stretcgph a bit and settle in over a period of use. Some components like maybe some types of capacitor might also change over an initial period of use, as the warming effect of current modifies its dielectric, so settle in a little - but not major change in capacitance value. (Of course, mechanical things and some components like capacitors can continue to change slowly over their lives, measured in decades, but that is a different matter.) And none of these would go up and down like a yoyo making huge changes in performance from day to day.

And if changes are so marked, especially with significant ups and downs over the first weeks as some people say, it makes nonsense of a manufacturer’s claim to test and check every item is in spec and performing as it should.

Clearly a lot on this forum believe otherwise, and if that is their explanation for their experience, that is up to them. I prefer to buy something that sounds right to me (yes, with an audition long enough to hear the subtleties and not just the first impression). And nothing I have ever bought has gone up and down in performance from day to day, nor indeed actually sounded different over time ...even the when I had bought brand new speakers - which is not surprising, as settling in of speakers may take several weeks, and listening through that time my ears would have been accustomed to the minor changes as they happened - and there is no way I have a reliable reference memory of a sound from a few weeks ago that I can conjure up to compare with the sound today.

garyi posted:

how can one test such gear at home over the weekend?

Because its you getting used to the sound, it broke in around 15 minutes after you turned it on.

In my opinion its only new speakers thats genuinely "break in".

 

As I say, my opinion.

I agree that's a big effect - and probably the biggest effect.

However, electrolytic capacitors can change their behaviour (particularly dielectric absorption, dielectric storage modulus and ESR) over an extended period if they have been stored unpolaraised for a reasonably lengthy time.  DA and DSM have known degradation effects on audio signals, ESR in electrolytics can also be non-linear.

T38.45 posted:

so you think Naim takes long time to break in? Well....try a new Auralic G2! Sounds shitty first week, ok after 3 weeks, nice after 5, wow... after 8+ ! So I ask myself: how can one test such gear at home over the weekend? And why the hell does it take so long for a to break in for a digital device without analog stage? I know it from my 282, 252, NAP250DR, they played some sort of „stiff“ in the beginning, (ok 250DR played fantastic almost out of the box...) So if you should demo GW...take a big coffee and relax...!

just listened to the  g2 auralic dac   it is the best voiced dac ive heard  period  with cdp  and its inbuilt streamer    dealer said that its headphone amp on it is tip top,i didn't listen to it.  out of my bank book range