Are the 272 and the Uniti products 'gateway drugs' to the dark world of hifi addiction?

But if you criminalise it, it will just go underground, be more expensive and won't be policed. Currently, audiophila is not an epidemic but with the wrong legislation it could be. And if you live in the Philippines, you might get shot attempting to sell a used CDX2.

I'd not poke the bear. If Corbyn became PM and even knew we existed, he'd come for us and send the bailiffs round.

I've just bought an old warehouse in Gibraltar to run my smuggling operations from when brexit becomes effective.

That will be in Spain by then.

oh please- give it a break

It's just about music.

The real issue here is smartphone addition.

Yeah but, I met this cool guy at a party in 78. He showed me his Sondek. Fluted and with a Supex. At first i just said, 'No'.

yes they are.... add this add that.... power supply, cables, better power amp then change the pre get a turntable...

naim is a very good upgrade brand second only to LP12...... which is a never ending money trap!

I remember a newspaper article about the 'Trainspotting Generation' which discussed statistics showing that deaths from drug use is a great deal higher in 40 - 50 year olds that it is in teenagers or 20 year olds. If audiophilia was a fatal disease, I'm pretty sure you'd find that it was killing off people already well past retirement age, not young adults. 

Anyone care to guess the average age of Naim forum members?!

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Christopher_M posted:

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Is that all? 

nowadays the real issue is that most of the younger generation has never heard things like Vinyl and Lp12's and have no idea how good music can sound

so why would they care?

Hi-fi might soon be a thing of the past, sadly.

analogmusic posted:

nowadays the real issue is that most of the younger generation has never heard things like Vinyl and Lp12's and have no idea how good music can sound

so why would they care?

Hi-fi might soon be a thing of the past, sadly.

Bob the Builder posted:

One in four people in the 18-24 demographic said they had purchased a vinyl record in the last year, with a good number of those indicating they purchase a new vinyl each month. 83% of the age group has purchased some sort of physical media in the past year (DVDs, books, CDs, records), which is much higher than the 76% average across all age groups.

What they didn't ask though was "Do you own a record player?".

I recall a report saying that something like only 1 in 10 records actually get played by the purchaser.

Edit: I found the report ... http://www.nme.com/news/music/...-artists-317-1191158 ... I was being pessimistic ... its only just under half that aren't actually listened to!

Leading the charge seems to be classic albums. eBay said that classic albums by The Beatles, David Bowie, and Pink Floyd are the highest sought after on the site.

With all the good new music out there ... kind of depressing that Beatles, Floyd and Bowie are highest sought after.

From https://www.theguardian.com/mu...in-uk-for-first-time ...

[Sean Forbes, who manages record shop Rough Trade West in London] admitted he had been surprised by the resurgence in people buying all types of music on record, although he welcomed it as a change from those who, in years past, bought certain heritage albums as a memento rather than to listen to.

“It makes a change from all the people visiting London who always come in just to buy The Clash London Calling on vinyl, which personally we think is a bit moronic,” said Forbes. “And people have always wanted to buy Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon on vinyl, which is also a bit depressing. People will still be buying ****ing Dark Side of the Moon on vinyl when we’ve all been dead a hundred years.”

Eloise posted:

Bob the Builder posted:

One in four people in the 18-24 demographic said they had purchased a vinyl record in the last year, with a good number of those indicating they purchase a new vinyl each month. 83% of the age group has purchased some sort of physical media in the past year (DVDs, books, CDs, records), which is much higher than the 76% average across all age groups.

What they didn't ask though was "Do you own a record player?".

I recall a report saying that something like only 1 in 10 records actually get played by the purchaser.

Edit: I found the report ... http://www.nme.com/news/music/...-artists-317-1191158 ... I was being pessimistic ... its only just under half that aren't actually listened to!

Leading the charge seems to be classic albums. eBay said that classic albums by The Beatles, David Bowie, and Pink Floyd are the highest sought after on the site.

With all the good new music out there ... kind of depressing that Beatles, Floyd and Bowie are highest sought after.

From https://www.theguardian.com/mu...in-uk-for-first-time ...

[Sean Forbes, who manages record shop Rough Trade West in London] admitted he had been surprised by the resurgence in people buying all types of music on record, although he welcomed it as a change from those who, in years past, bought certain heritage albums as a memento rather than to listen to.

“It makes a change from all the people visiting London who always come in just to buy The Clash London Calling on vinyl, which personally we think is a bit moronic,” said Forbes. “And people have always wanted to buy Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon on vinyl, which is also a bit depressing. People will still be buying ****ing Dark Side of the Moon on vinyl when we’ve all been dead a hundred years.”

Wow so pessimistic! I also read the Guardian article whose demographic was compiled from one just shop two years ago in 2016 whilst the November 2017 figures from forbes were from eBay a much wider demographic. I had also read about these trendy young things that didn't own TT's buying records which is why I also posted the hifi sales report from Australia. These are world wide figures from across the board.

As for it being depressing that The Beatles etc are still the most sought after here is a very recent article fromthe Telegraph.

Some critics were sceptical as to whether it would last through 2017, but it seems music fans are continuing to purchase more vinyl than ever. 

The physical format accounted for one in ever 10 physical music sale over the past four months, according to the annual BPI report: a 26.8 per cent increase year on year, which pushes vinyl sales to a level not seen since the days of Nirvana's Nevermind in the early Nineties. 

This, along with Ed Sheeran's popularity, helped to slow the decline of physical sales in the UK music industry. The singer-songwriter's latest album Divide was the best-selling album on vinyl, ahead of Liam Gallagher, whose debut solo release enjoyed the highest week-one sales of 2017. 

Amy Winehouse's classic record Back to Black is still a favourite, claiming a top-5 spot for the third year running. Rag'n'Bone Man, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Oasis and David Bowie also featured in the vinyl LP top 10. 

Matt Ingham of independent label Cherry Red Records, which boasts a rich catalogue on vinyl and CD, said: "Genuine music discovery is coming from the fresh resurgence in vinyl, the robust CD market and via the burgeoning streaming platforms. 

"The combination of new and old technology means the industry can continue to rise to the challenge of providing the public with music to treasure forever."

I'm so pleased that the music and hifi industries seem to be in such rude health and although my original post was a bit of a p*** take I'm glad the thread took this more interesting turn and that the pessimistic view of some of the replies seem outdated.

From https://www.theguardian.com/mu...in-uk-for-first-time ...

“It makes a change from all the people visiting London who always come in just to buy The Clash London Calling on vinyl, which personally we think is a bit moronic,” said Forbes. “And people have always wanted to buy Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon on vinyl, which is also a bit depressing. People will still be buying ****ing Dark Side of the Moon on vinyl when we’ve all been dead a hundred years.” 

So this guy is depressed that young people are buying Pink Floyd? I guess he'll jump in front of a bus if he hears that anyone under the age of 90 is still listening to Bach!

Ummmm, I've been addicted for more years than I care to remember. Started in my late teens and I'm in my middle 60s now. If I remember correctly the drug then was a Leak Stereo 60 and if Naim were around then they would have been the new kid on the block.

Music is the addiction, the equipment the delivery system. But 'gateway' drugs the 272 and Uniti products? No, more like 'get away'.

Jan-Erik Nordoen posted:

Music is the addiction, the equipment the delivery system. 

Exactly what I was going to say. Witness the iplayer addiction a decade or two ago, now through phones or whatever. And the pushers charging exhorbitant amounts for low quality  badly produced mush, because they can as the addicts will buy it regardless to get their fixes.

The best solution, other than surgical removal if the ears, is to spend so much on hifi that you can’t afford to keep buying music. But that only contains thing - for a complete cur you need it to be a vinyl system, whence the discs you have will gradually wear out until all you hear is white noise. (But not meaning it will all morph into the album An electric storm.)

Jan-Erik Nordoen posted:

Music is the addiction, the equipment the delivery system. But 'gateway' drugs the 272 and Uniti products? No, more like 'get away'.

Rhythm is the rhythm of life; choose a note; experience the experience.

Innocent Bystander posted:

Jan-Erik Nordoen posted:

Music is the addiction, the equipment the delivery system. 

Exactly what I was going to say. Witness the iplayer addiction a decade or two ago, now through phones or whatever. And the pushers charging exhorbitant amounts for low quality  badly produced mush, because they can as the addicts will buy it regardless to get their fixes.

The best solution, other than surgical removal if the ears, is to spend so much on hifi that you can’t afford to keep buying music. But that only contains thing - for a complete cur you need it to be a vinyl system, whence the discs you have will gradually wear out until all you hear is white noise. (But not meaning it will all morph into the album An electric storm.)

 

Good tease with the vinyl. Unfortunately mine is showing no sign of wearing out in my lifetime!

Phil

272 isnt a gateway drug, its a maintenance therapy. My first drug was an amstrad amp age 17. I am now 55 and shooting 272 with 555ps and NAP 500 DR cocktail ......

Filipe posted:

Innocent Bystander posted:

Jan-Erik Nordoen posted:

Music is the addiction, the equipment the delivery system. 

Exactly what I was going to say. Witness the iplayer addiction a decade or two ago, now through phones or whatever. And the pushers charging exhorbitant amounts for low quality  badly produced mush, because they can as the addicts will buy it regardless to get their fixes.

The best solution, other than surgical removal if the ears, is to spend so much on hifi that you can’t afford to keep buying music. But that only contains thing - for a complete cur you need it to be a vinyl system, whence the discs you have will gradually wear out until all you hear is white noise. (But not meaning it will all morph into the album An electric storm.)

 

Good tease with the vinyl. Unfortunately mine is showing no sign of wearing out in my lifetime!

Phil

You need to play it more!

Today's young adults are much more sensible and addiction free than what you portray them to be. Most of them are just happy to listen to their music on computers, car radios and mobile devices. The number of nerds needing to spend fortunes on mega systems to be able to hear voices from out of space (and talk about it endlessly) is shrinking from generation to generation. Just ask your dealer and he will tell you how close this breed is getting to extinction.

As stated later in the thread I was only having a bit of a laugh.  

 I do have a few older teenagers and young adults in my life and all of them bar none are so addicted to their smart phones that it isn't even funny.  Between Facebook, Whats App, Instagram, Twitter and Snapchat most do not have time for music unless it is in bitesized chunks and delivered by social media and so only those artists who embrace all of that are popular.

I would guess that the same percentage of Nerds both now and in the past are interested in listening to music on real systems.  The midi systems of the 80's and 90's by Aiwa and Sanyo have been replaced by wireless speakers but there are younger people out there who want more than that from a stereo and I would guess that the reason they are not in their 20's has more to do with finances than anything else.

As we slide towards WW3 we need some distraction. 

Vinyl is clearly a synthetic drug.