272 on 250DR sounds like crap

Well, I heard the statement at a show and it sounded horrible. No idea what source was used - but had thick 'Transparent' cables and some mega bucks wilson speakers.

With care in source, cable, speaker matching, I would take a CD5i/Nait5i over that system.

I heard Statement with flagship Dynaudio speakers last year. Happy to say that I came home to my modest ND5XS, SN1 and Dynaudio Audience 50 setup and thought it still sounded damned good!

Innocent Bystander posted:

Huge posted:

Allan Milne posted:

 

Statement and 500 series are crap too - when I win the lottery I'm buying an orchestra, a rock band, a jazz group and a singer-songwriter  and having them play in my living room ...

 

... might be a bit of a squeeze though

Allan

Simple, when you win the lottery you'll be able to afford to build a big enough music room to accommodate them all!

No problem.

Have to be the Euromillions jackpot then. 

UK National lottery only OK for a decent music room and hifi system. (Hmm, I always did fancy the idea of  concrete horns...,)

Not a bad suggestion. I was thinking either train robbery, or perhaps a bunko scam.

Whichever path chosen, just make sure to do so before the 4/30 price increases!  

Max_B posted:

Dan.S posted:

Holly s&*t. It's all I can say.

No, it's not all. You could also tell us if any speakers were used.

M.

Audio Physic Codex

Ardbeg10y posted:

Frank Yang posted:

Ardbeg10y posted:

The Naim concept is that you add a power supply. Have you tried a PS on your 272?

It is a typical British (black) humor . The 272 is good as it should be, only 500 sounds better.

I'm afraid it is humour.

It is the difference between the British English vs American English! Statistically, more people speaking American English than the British one, especially in the Far East.

Btw, good thing that I would not have to save for the Statement based on the feedback here.

Frank Yang posted:

Ardbeg10y posted:

Frank Yang posted:

Ardbeg10y posted:

The Naim concept is that you add a power supply. Have you tried a PS on your 272?

It is a typical British (black) humor . The 272 is good as it should be, only 500 sounds better.

I'm afraid it is humour.

It is the difference between the British English vs American English! Statistically, more people speaking American English than the British one, especially in the Far East.

Btw, good thing that I would not have to save for the Statement based on the feedback here.

Nothing to do with language, whether British English or American English (or Pidgin English, or any other English), but British humour.

Innocent Bystander posted:

Frank Yang posted:

Ardbeg10y posted:

Frank Yang posted:

Ardbeg10y posted:

The Naim concept is that you add a power supply. Have you tried a PS on your 272?

It is a typical British (black) humor . The 272 is good as it should be, only 500 sounds better.

I'm afraid it is humour.

It is the difference between the British English vs American English! Statistically, more people speaking American English than the British one, especially in the Far East.

Btw, good thing that I would not have to save for the Statement based on the feedback here.

Nothing to do with language, whether British English or American English (or Pidgin English, or any other English), but British humour.

Yes, it is British 'humor'.

Innocent Bystander posted:

Emre posted:

We don’t like the rich!

I think the average person in the street would regard most owners of Naim systems and discussing cables costing £100s/m as rich...

My cables cost £12.54 per metre (I know cause I bought the cable and assembled them myself).

Frank Yang posted:

Yes, it is British 'humor'.

That's an oxymoron!

You mean humour.

I have read this with interest....... I started with a 272 and nap250..... and it was pretty good...... my advice if you a really want the best bang for your buck is to buy a second hand 555ps ..... it makes a huge difference to the whole system also make sure 272 is on a rack. The only thing that dissapointed me with the 272 was the headphone amp..... it would not drive my HD800S very well. For a short while I even used 272 to drive a nap500 .... that sounded fantastic.

A 555 is in the pipeline, so is a 300DR. And a scenery change from bookshelfs to standfloors. 

But its all in vain, as long as the 500s are out there ... 

Obviously with your installation - pay attention to all the usual set up, cables/rack/room placement/ you have a very good system - I am not familiar with your speakers...........

My system's fine. My rant was meant as a joke. The 500s are that good.

Just looked at your speakers....... do you play system at highish levels? Looks as if they may be  quite up front ..... and they could be very sensitive to placement...........  and cables. In my experience amplifier and speaker matching is critical - did you audition this combination against the usual contenders?

Naim has read this thread and took immediate action. New FW has solved the issue. 272 no longer sounds like crap. Sleep easy Naimites. 

Dont take my word for it. Go read the threads about it for yourself.

Alba1320 posted:

FWIW, Steve Sells has been 'slumming it' with a 272/250DR...

Brexit must really be hurting things there.

Innocent Bystander posted:

Emre posted:

It is never ending discussion, a family in Somalia could consider average person in the street ( A European street ) very rich

But let me correct, we don’t like “ Statement” rich.... 

It is all relative.

Is someone rich if they save for 10 years to buy a Statement system but have no holidays, walk or cycle and not have a car, and have no meals out or any other luxuries at all, live in a cheap par of the country in a modest house and play only their already accumulated recording collection? 

Or is someone rich who buys a new car (not a very fancy one) every 2 years, has a nice holiday staying in reasonably modest 4-star hotels every year, eats out a regularly and otherwise buys a lot of convenience foods, lives in an expensive part of the country in a modest house, but struggles to afford to buy basic Naim kit?

The latter may earn more than the former...

First one will be considered naim obsessed maniac in my book rich or poor!

Dan.S posted:

Naim should be ashamed of itself, letting honest-hard-working people like myself audition 500 series level separates.

your elac bs44 are perhaps the weak point in the chain.  272/250 can really sound amazing. I would go for proac tablette 8 or atc 11 or 19, if you have to stay with standmount speakers.

In a moderate sized room, 272 / 250 will sound better that 552/500 with big speakers...

Seems Steve Sells is perfectly happy with 272/250 at home. Can’t go wrong with it. 

kaydee6 posted:

Seems Steve Sells is perfectly happy with 272/250 at home. Can’t go wrong with it. 

So you've heard the 272/250 at Steve's home?

joerand posted:

kaydee6 posted:

Seems Steve Sells is perfectly happy with 272/250 at home. Can’t go wrong with it. 

So you've heard the 272/250 at Steve's home?

Whf interview

French Rooster posted:

Dan.S posted:

Naim should be ashamed of itself, letting honest-hard-working people like myself audition 500 series level separates.

your elac bs44 are perhaps the weak point in the chain.  272/250 can really sound amazing. I would go for proac tablette 8 or atc 11 or 19, if you have to stay with standmount speakers.

In a moderate sized room, 272 / 250 will sound better that 552/500 with big speakers...

Ive compared my 244 against scm19 and elacs won by a large margin. 

But again, theres nothing wrong with my sistem, it sounds amazing, although versus the 500.....its night and day....

kaydee6 posted:

joerand posted:

kaydee6 posted:

Seems Steve Sells is perfectly happy with 272/250 at home. Can’t go wrong with it. 

So you've heard the 272/250 at Steve's home?

Whf interview

joerand posted:

kaydee6 posted:

joerand posted:

kaydee6 posted:

Seems Steve Sells is perfectly happy with 272/250 at home. Can’t go wrong with it. 

So you've heard the 272/250 at Steve's home?

Whf interview

WHF: What system do you have at home?

SS: It’s always changing. It tends to be what we’re designing. So I’m just about to get an NDX 2 streamer and NAC-252 preamp. Right now I’m running a NAC-N 272 streamer/preamp and NAP 250 DR power amp with Naim SBL speakers and two subs.

Strong testimony to me for the 272/250 from a guy that works for Naim and doesn't pay for Naim gear. As you say, can't go wrong with it!

Rather than being his personal choice for a system if he was spending his own money, I took it to mean he doesn’t own a system, though possibly he does the speakers, and ‘makes do’ wirh things that are spare or under test from the factory, probably effectively taking his work home with him when it is something under test or development. 

So at this moment maybe 272 is being evaluated through a typical amp implementation, as part of, or ready for, comparison with something else (272 mk2 perhaps, if one were to speculate - or perhaps just to compare with the upvoming NDX-2). Either that, or there just happens to be a spare 272 and 250DR kicking around at the moment.

From his indication that it varies and depends on what they’re designing and the “at the moment” qualification it does not come across that the 272 or 250DR are his primary choice.