nd555

The Cd555 used to ship with a Hi line

Which interconnect would be in the box with the ND555?

nigelb posted:

Eloise posted:

KRM posted:

The other mistake is an £8k price difference between NDX2 and ND555. As an NDS owner, I reckon I’ve already bought my last Naim streamer (unless I need to down grade in the future).

Only its not 8K between a NDX2 and an ND555 really ... there are 6 different Naim streamers now...

ND5XS (£2k) ... NDX2 (£5k) ... NDX2 + XPS2DR (£9k) ... NDX2 + 555PS (£12k) ... ND555 (£20k) ... ND555 + 2x 555PS (£27k)

Quite reasonable steps really - each step approximately doubling the cost (the two power supply options just above and just below double the cost of the NDX2 by itself... if Naim developed a NDS2 there is only a small(ish) gap to fit it in, between the NDX2 with 555PS and the ND555 (with single 555PS), or you would be pretty much duplicating the price point of (say) NDS2 + XPS2DR at 13k and then NDS2 + 555PS at 16k.

Yes, if you look at it like that, you have a point. But as a NDS owner with a 555DR my only option is to stick, (potentially) downgrade to a NDX2 or trade in against a £13k upgraded streamer. With the benefit of the 4.6 firmware I am inclined to stick with my NDS as it is sounding superb.

I think it will be worth a demo of the NDX2 with your current 555ps, I think people are underestimating how good the new platform is. If you listen to the Nova which sounds great with all its compromises, then take out the preamp, power section etc......you would hope it could be very good.

I cannot remember where I read it .... (somewhere here I think)....where Roy claimed the NDS was difficult to surpass .... which leads me to believe that the ND555 will be incrementally better .... 

analogmusic posted:

The Cd555 used to ship with a Hi line

Which interconnect would be in the box with the ND555?

Like I suggested in an earlier post, Salisbury should consider SL for all marketing purposes. ????

Chag -

I wasn’t convince by SL when I tried an interconnect, that was when I was running CDX2/555ps/282/hi/250 into NBLs. Maybe it would be different with my current setup though the NBLs are still there and still don’t allow room for the banana plugs so a full loom is out anyway, a Hiline will do.

Richieroo posted:

I cannot remember where I read it .... (somewhere here I think)....where Roy claimed the NDS was difficult to surpass .... which leads me to believe that the ND555 will be incrementally better .... 

Difficult dousn’t mean impossible, and maybe that explains the years of development...

15.000£ including a 555PSDR as a launch promotion would be great

nigelb posted:

Eloise posted:

KRM posted:

The other mistake is an £8k price difference between NDX2 and ND555. As an NDS owner, I reckon I’ve already bought my last Naim streamer (unless I need to down grade in the future).

Only its not 8K between a NDX2 and an ND555 really ... there are 6 different Naim streamers now...

ND5XS (£2k) ... NDX2 (£5k) ... NDX2 + XPS2DR (£9k) ... NDX2 + 555PS (£12k) ... ND555 (£20k) ... ND555 + 2x 555PS (£27k)

Quite reasonable steps really - each step approximately doubling the cost (the two power supply options just above and just below double the cost of the NDX2 by itself... if Naim developed a NDS2 there is only a small(ish) gap to fit it in, between the NDX2 with 555PS and the ND555 (with single 555PS), or you would be pretty much duplicating the price point of (say) NDS2 + XPS2DR at 13k and then NDS2 + 555PS at 16k.

Yes, if you look at it like that, you have a point. But as a NDS owner with a 555DR my only option is to stick, (potentially) downgrade to a NDX2 or trade in against a £13k upgraded streamer. With the benefit of the 4.6 firmware I am inclined to stick with my NDS as it is sounding superb.

You, like me, could consider a second 555PSDR for your NDS. That would only be marginally less than the cost of the ND555 with a reasonable trade in value for the NDS. First world problem!

Gazza posted:

nigelb posted:

Eloise posted:

KRM posted:

The other mistake is an £8k price difference between NDX2 and ND555. As an NDS owner, I reckon I’ve already bought my last Naim streamer (unless I need to down grade in the future).

Only its not 8K between a NDX2 and an ND555 really ... there are 6 different Naim streamers now...

ND5XS (£2k) ... NDX2 (£5k) ... NDX2 + XPS2DR (£9k) ... NDX2 + 555PS (£12k) ... ND555 (£20k) ... ND555 + 2x 555PS (£27k)

Quite reasonable steps really - each step approximately doubling the cost (the two power supply options just above and just below double the cost of the NDX2 by itself... if Naim developed a NDS2 there is only a small(ish) gap to fit it in, between the NDX2 with 555PS and the ND555 (with single 555PS), or you would be pretty much duplicating the price point of (say) NDS2 + XPS2DR at 13k and then NDS2 + 555PS at 16k.

Yes, if you look at it like that, you have a point. But as a NDS owner with a 555DR my only option is to stick, (potentially) downgrade to a NDX2 or trade in against a £13k upgraded streamer. With the benefit of the 4.6 firmware I am inclined to stick with my NDS as it is sounding superb.

I think it will be worth a demo of the NDX2 with your current 555ps, I think people are underestimating how good the new platform is. If you listen to the Nova which sounds great with all its compromises, then take out the preamp, power section etc......you would hope it could be very good.

Exactly right Nigel. It’s  true that the powers supply options provide additional rungs and I have two left - DR upgrade, which I hope to do and a 2nd 555, which I won’t do. However, I had assumed I would need to upgrade or replace the streamer in a few years time, but that now looks unlikely, at least with Naim.

Gazza, Naim said at the Bristol Show that the NDX2 is good but not as good as the NDS. For a start, it only has one Burndy so a big chunk of the 555 is not used.

It matters less with amplifiers because the rate of technological change is slower and DR is offered to existing owners. However, Naim are asking customers to make huge investments in their streamers in a fast changing environment and I think they should have consided this when they withdrew the NDS.

And yes, this is the very definition of a first world problem

Gazza posted:

nigelb posted:

Eloise posted:

KRM posted:

The other mistake is an £8k price difference between NDX2 and ND555. As an NDS owner, I reckon I’ve already bought my last Naim streamer (unless I need to down grade in the future).

Only its not 8K between a NDX2 and an ND555 really ... there are 6 different Naim streamers now...

ND5XS (£2k) ... NDX2 (£5k) ... NDX2 + XPS2DR (£9k) ... NDX2 + 555PS (£12k) ... ND555 (£20k) ... ND555 + 2x 555PS (£27k)

Quite reasonable steps really - each step approximately doubling the cost (the two power supply options just above and just below double the cost of the NDX2 by itself... if Naim developed a NDS2 there is only a small(ish) gap to fit it in, between the NDX2 with 555PS and the ND555 (with single 555PS), or you would be pretty much duplicating the price point of (say) NDS2 + XPS2DR at 13k and then NDS2 + 555PS at 16k.

Yes, if you look at it like that, you have a point. But as a NDS owner with a 555DR my only option is to stick, (potentially) downgrade to a NDX2 or trade in against a £13k upgraded streamer. With the benefit of the 4.6 firmware I am inclined to stick with my NDS as it is sounding superb.

I think it will be worth a demo of the NDX2 with your current 555ps, I think people are underestimating how good the new platform is. If you listen to the Nova which sounds great with all its compromises, then take out the preamp, power section etc......you would hope it could be very good.

Yes, you may have a point there and I am guilty of prejudging the new platform streamers before hearing them. For the NDX2 to outperform the NDS, the new platform would have to override the benefits of the suspended chassis and all the extra gubbins the NDS has onboard. I guess that is possible. I was mightily impressed with a bare Nova driving some Kudos 505s in a crappy hotel room at the Bristol show this year. So the new platform streamers hooked up to decent classic pre and power amps will be rather special, I suspect.

Hi,

I have been speaking to Audio T and can 100% confirm the selling price is £12999 for the ND555 plus power supply (supplies).

They said that Naim have yet to confirm the release date so the price the computer was from a few weeks ago when the price had not been confirmed to them, but it needed to be on their system. The price has now been confirmed and updated as the official release information approaches. They also said it would be a very interesting product, setting new standards, and definitely deserving of a 500 series product!! . Can't wait to hear one, 

Cheers

Rich

nigelb posted:

Eloise posted:

KRM posted:

The other mistake is an £8k price difference between NDX2 and ND555. As an NDS owner, I reckon I’ve already bought my last Naim streamer (unless I need to down grade in the future).

Only its not 8K between a NDX2 and an ND555 really ... there are 6 different Naim streamers now...

ND5XS (£2k) ... NDX2 (£5k) ... NDX2 + XPS2DR (£9k) ... NDX2 + 555PS (£12k) ... ND555 (£20k) ... ND555 + 2x 555PS (£27k)

Quite reasonable steps really - each step approximately doubling the cost (the two power supply options just above and just below double the cost of the NDX2 by itself... if Naim developed a NDS2 there is only a small(ish) gap to fit it in, between the NDX2 with 555PS and the ND555 (with single 555PS), or you would be pretty much duplicating the price point of (say) NDS2 + XPS2DR at 13k and then NDS2 + 555PS at 16k.

Yes, if you look at it like that, you have a point. But as a NDS owner with a 555DR my only option is to stick, (potentially) downgrade to a NDX2 or trade in against a £13k upgraded streamer. With the benefit of the 4.6 firmware I am inclined to stick with my NDS as it is sounding superb.

I think that’s an important point Nigel.  A re-vamped range doesn’t render your stuff redundant - on the contrary.  

Regards,

Lindsay

I believe that naim should be commended for releasing the update to the legacy streamers in advance of the new streamers becoming available.

Yes it was necessary to update the existing range to provide multiroom compatibility with the new uniti range but they decided to ensure that this additional functionality was married to a significant upgrade in SQ and weren’t satisfied until this was achieved.

This ensured that the new streamers would be judged against the “legacy” streamers on a fair footing at least in terms of SQ.

analogmusic posted:

The Cd555 used to ship with a Hi line

Which interconnect would be in the box with the ND555?

The exploded montage of components on the wall in the Naim booth at Bristol showed a HiLine as part of the package. Sorry !

nigelb posted:

Gazza posted:

 

 

 

 

I think it will be worth a demo of the NDX2 with your current 555ps, I think people are underestimating how good the new platform is. If you listen to the Nova which sounds great with all its compromises, then take out the preamp, power section etc......you would hope it could be very good.

Yes, you may have a point there and I am guilty of prejudging the new platform streamers before hearing them. For the NDX2 to outperform the NDS, the new platform would have to override the benefits of the suspended chassis and all the extra gubbins the NDS has onboard. I guess that is possible. I was mightily impressed with a bare Nova driving some Kudos 505s in a crappy hotel room at the Bristol show this year. So the new platform streamers hooked up to decent classic pre and power amps will be rather special, I suspect.

Naim have already said, at the Bristol Show, that the NDX2 will be a big improvement on the NDX but not as good as the NDS. it only uses one of the two inputs on the 555PS so this isn’t too surprising. 

So moving from the NDS to the NDX2 would improve functionality but reduce sound quality. 

Audio T have now amended the price on their system and have my deposit.

You’ve committed without a demo or is the purchase subject to?

* or bust. 

yeti42 posted:

Audio T have now amended the price on their system and have my deposit.

This is he sprit we are looking for good on you

That’s quite a jump from a Rega DAC, assuming your profile is up to date Yeti.

Well done Yeti I sure will keep us posted....I don't think you will be disappointed. ..

I am at the front (or near it) of the queue to home demo the local dealer unit when it arrives. Past that, I'm not betting on anything. If Naim were delivering 5 units a year to my dealer, I would pay a deposit to join a waitlist, , but that's not going to happen.

I was all set to buy an NDS to replace my CDX2 (555ps already in place) when the new Unitis were launched, the Rega DAC was a stop gap to go with the Core while I waited for the inevitable new streamers.

Sport here is still to obtain dealer’s discount on a pre-order. How did you do? ????

Chag -

yeti42 posted:

I was all set to buy an NDS to replace my CDX2 (555ps already in place) when the new Unitis were launched, the Rega DAC was a stop gap to go with the Core while I waited for the inevitable new streamers.

The NDS will sound just as wonderful after the new streamers have launched. But there will be some good second hand examples in circulation.