Statement interconnects

I would be inclined to leave well alone, if Super Lumina has been specifically designed for the purpose then why change?

Very different to the XLR's between the 552 and 500 which was always the weakest link for the 552/500 combination.

Thanks PolarBear - the idea came to my mind when I researched the options for a balanced interconnect between the NAC S1 and a DAC. SuperLumina was an obvious choice, but then other options emerged, some even preferred by reputable people.

Best, JN

Interconnects are very different, there is plenty of choice other than Super Lumina. The cables between the Statement pre and power are unique and I doubt there are alternatives available. However, just like everything else, I am sure someone will make an alternative. Whether its better than SL is another matter.

It seems a little odd to be thinking of tweaking something before it even arrives, especially when it’s as top end as Statement. I’ve never had the pleasure of hearing it, or working out if there is anything about it that could be better, but for what it’s worth, my advice would be to have it delivered and then live with it for a good few months as it runs in and you get used to it. Only then will you be in a position to assess whether alternative wires are preferable. Chances are you’ll be happy with it just as it is. For the price one would jolly well hope so. 

Thanks PolarBear and HH - I appreciate your thoughts and agree. I am merely interested if anybody had gone down that path.

Best, JN

Not that many have been sold, though one bloke who has seven of the amps in a seven channel AV system has bumped up the numbers somewhat. So if you try alternative wires you will probably be exploring new waters. I really wouldn’t worry about it at this stage. As has been said above, other options can be found I’m sure, probably for exorbitant prices, and of course different isn’t always better, merely different. I use SL cables in my much more modest setup, and I think they are great, and with the Statement they are literally designed to work with the amps. 

As you probably know, the SL cabling was developed as part of the Statement project so like others I'd stick with that cabling confident in the knowledge that it is the best Naim could make for their best amp.

Congratulations on your new purchase. When they have arrived and settled do be sure to post a few pictures and your impressions. 

J Novak posted:

Thanks PolarBear - the idea came to my mind when I researched the options for a balanced interconnect between the NAC S1 and a DAC. SuperLumina was an obvious choice, but then other options emerged, some even preferred by reputable people.

Best, JN

you can look at chord music interconnects....some here found them superior to superlumina.

Given that you’ve invested a considerable sum in this wonderful piece of equipment, I think you’re original query is entirely reasonable. Much as I’d like, I haven’t gone that far but I have been prepared to consider alternatives as far as cabling is concerned and would politely suggest that, at your level, it might be worth auditioning ChordMusic. At a 500 level, I find it exceeds SL in every conceivable way.

SL is “an” option, but is only a cost-constrained, third party developed solution, so it’s worth bypassing the dogma and reaching your own conclusion. If at that stage you find you prefer SL then all well and good, but at least do have a listen.

If I was fortunate enough to be in your position I’d stick with the Superlumina cables provided. With them the amps will sound as Naim intended. Just get some music playing and forget it. 

Polarbear posted:

I would be inclined to leave well alone, if Super Lumina has been specifically designed for the purpose then why change?

 

Very different to the XLR's between the 552 and 500 which was always the weakest link for the 552/500 combination.

 

Hi PB, Might you have suggested that the XLRs between the 500 and the 552 are the 'weakest link" ?  Does that suggest SLs can be bettered( chord music) ?

Dave J posted:

Given that you’ve invested a considerable sum in this wonderful piece of equipment, I think you’re original query is entirely reasonable. Much as I’d like, I haven’t gone that far but I have been prepared to consider alternatives as far as cabling is concerned and would politely suggest that, at your level, it might be worth auditioning ChordMusic. At a 500 level, I find it exceeds SL in every conceivable way.

SL is “an” option, but is only a cost-constrained, third party developed solution, so it’s worth bypassing the dogma and reaching your own conclusion. If at that stage you find you prefer SL then all well and good, but at least do have a listen.

Here we go again.

No Superlumina was developed by Naim engineers specifically for statement.

they sound quite different and use different insulation to The third party cables you speak of. 

Certainly it’s blatantly inaccurate to state that Superlumina was developed by anyone else other than Naim engineers 

Nac a5, Lavendar and then Black interconnects were designed for use with all amps below Statement and yet we all chop and change cables I fail to see the difference. What the OP is spending on a Statement amplifier may well be the same to him in relative terms as the rest of us have spent on our UnitiQute's, 272's and 300's.

As in life there are those on this forum who follow dogma that are 'faithfull' to the Naim brand above all else and then there is the rest of us who are willing to try different things the choice is entirely yours to make. I myself tried very expensive to me non Naim cables but have decided that to my ears the difference didn't warrant the extra cost and so I have returned to Naim cables.

zoot posted:

Polarbear posted:

I would be inclined to leave well alone, if Super Lumina has been specifically designed for the purpose then why change?

 

Very different to the XLR's between the 552 and 500 which was always the weakest link for the 552/500 combination.

 

Hi PB, Might you have suggested that the XLRs between the 500 and the 552 are the 'weakest link" ?  Does that suggest SLs can be bettered( chord music) ?

He’s referring to the standard din to XLRs provided with the 500, rather than to the SL versions. 

analogmusic posted:

Dave J posted:

Given that you’ve invested a considerable sum in this wonderful piece of equipment, I think you’re original query is entirely reasonable. Much as I’d like, I haven’t gone that far but I have been prepared to consider alternatives as far as cabling is concerned and would politely suggest that, at your level, it might be worth auditioning ChordMusic. At a 500 level, I find it exceeds SL in every conceivable way.

SL is “an” option, but is only a cost-constrained, third party developed solution, so it’s worth bypassing the dogma and reaching your own conclusion. If at that stage you find you prefer SL then all well and good, but at least do have a listen.

Here we go again.

No Superlumina was developed by Naim engineers specifically for statement.

they sound quite different and use different insulation to The third party cables you speak of. 

Certainly it’s blatantly inaccurate to state that Superlumina was developed by anyone else other than Naim engineers 

Analogue - Naim engineers no doubt specified the requirement for SL but it is certainly sourced from a 3rd party. 

I would leave well alone until your new system is well and truly lived with then, if you still have an itch, try different options.

Enjoy,

Richard

The Strat (Fender) posted:

analogmusic posted:

Dave J posted:

Given that you’ve invested a considerable sum in this wonderful piece of equipment, I think you’re original query is entirely reasonable. Much as I’d like, I haven’t gone that far but I have been prepared to consider alternatives as far as cabling is concerned and would politely suggest that, at your level, it might be worth auditioning ChordMusic. At a 500 level, I find it exceeds SL in every conceivable way.

SL is “an” option, but is only a cost-constrained, third party developed solution, so it’s worth bypassing the dogma and reaching your own conclusion. If at that stage you find you prefer SL then all well and good, but at least do have a listen.

Here we go again.

No Superlumina was developed by Naim engineers specifically for statement.

they sound quite different and use different insulation to The third party cables you speak of. 

Certainly it’s blatantly inaccurate to state that Superlumina was developed by anyone else other than Naim engineers 

Analogue - Naim engineers no doubt specified the requirement for SL but it is certainly sourced from a 3rd party. 

That was certainly my understanding. SL is manufactured by a third party to Naim specs.

S3 posted:

The Strat (Fender) posted:

analogmusic posted:

Dave J posted:

Given that you’ve invested a considerable sum in this wonderful piece of equipment, I think you’re original query is entirely reasonable. Much as I’d like, I haven’t gone that far but I have been prepared to consider alternatives as far as cabling is concerned and would politely suggest that, at your level, it might be worth auditioning ChordMusic. At a 500 level, I find it exceeds SL in every conceivable way.

SL is “an” option, but is only a cost-constrained, third party developed solution, so it’s worth bypassing the dogma and reaching your own conclusion. If at that stage you find you prefer SL then all well and good, but at least do have a listen.

Here we go again.

No Superlumina was developed by Naim engineers specifically for statement.

they sound quite different and use different insulation to The third party cables you speak of. 

Certainly it’s blatantly inaccurate to state that Superlumina was developed by anyone else other than Naim engineers 

Analogue - Naim engineers no doubt specified the requirement for SL but it is certainly sourced from a 3rd party. 

That was certainly my understanding. SL is manufactured by a third party to Naim specs.

That’s what I thought too, for the cables, but I believe the various plugs are designed and assembled in house. 

The Statements deserve better than the Powerlines to run them from the mains.

I would certainly ask the dealer if they, or other customers and even Naim themselves have had success with other mains cables.

S3 posted:

The Strat (Fender) posted:

analogmusic posted:

Dave J posted:

Given that you’ve invested a considerable sum in this wonderful piece of equipment, I think you’re original query is entirely reasonable. Much as I’d like, I haven’t gone that far but I have been prepared to consider alternatives as far as cabling is concerned and would politely suggest that, at your level, it might be worth auditioning ChordMusic. At a 500 level, I find it exceeds SL in every conceivable way.

SL is “an” option, but is only a cost-constrained, third party developed solution, so it’s worth bypassing the dogma and reaching your own conclusion. If at that stage you find you prefer SL then all well and good, but at least do have a listen.

Here we go again.

No Superlumina was developed by Naim engineers specifically for statement.

they sound quite different and use different insulation to The third party cables you speak of. 

Certainly it’s blatantly inaccurate to state that Superlumina was developed by anyone else other than Naim engineers 

Analogue - Naim engineers no doubt specified the requirement for SL but it is certainly sourced from a 3rd party. 

That was certainly my understanding. SL is manufactured by a third party to Naim specs.

Obviously.  A cable making factory would need all of the space of the Naim factory and probably quite a bit more.  You would also need to be making huge amounts and different types of cable.   Similarly, Naim do not make their own aluminium extrusions, chassis, etc, so on and so forth...

Naim specifiy what they want and source from the manufacturer/supplier who can best meet their needs and their specification.

TBH I don't think there are many on the forum with the experience. At that level I would expect the dealer to provide alternative cables for you to audition and to let you return the ones you don't like.

Let us know what happens.

Congratulations on your investment JN.

Could you satisfy my curiosity and tell us about the rest of the system you will be using the Statement with?

Best regards

Hans

Yes please tell us about the rest of your system especially the source.

Enjoy,,

Richard 

analogmusic posted:

Dave J posted:

Given that you’ve invested a considerable sum in this wonderful piece of equipment, I think you’re original query is entirely reasonable. Much as I’d like, I haven’t gone that far but I have been prepared to consider alternatives as far as cabling is concerned and would politely suggest that, at your level, it might be worth auditioning ChordMusic. At a 500 level, I find it exceeds SL in every conceivable way.

SL is “an” option, but is only a cost-constrained, third party developed solution, so it’s worth bypassing the dogma and reaching your own conclusion. If at that stage you find you prefer SL then all well and good, but at least do have a listen.

Here we go again.

No Superlumina was developed by Naim engineers specifically for statement.

they sound quite different and use different insulation to The third party cables you speak of. 

Certainly it’s blatantly inaccurate to state that Superlumina was developed by anyone else other than Naim engineers 

No, this is where we really go again.

I have no doubt Superlumina will do Statement justice.  It is entirely possible that it will sound better than any other cable currently on the market.  But it is also entirely possible that a third party cable will sound better.  It is an entirely reasonable question but I agree with previous comments that if SL is being supplied then JN should live with it for a while before experimenting if he still wishes to do so.

JN,.....we have a guy in Sweden who has Statement pre and power,I know that he has Chord Music-cables in his system. But I don't know if he has it (Chord Music), between pre and power.

I shall try too check this up.

/Peder ????