Statement interconnects

Peder posted:

JN,.....we have a guy in Sweden who has Statement pre and power,I know that he has Chord Music-cables in his system. But I don't know if he has it (Chord Music), between pre and power.

I shall try too check this up.

/Peder ???? 

I think Chord Music is wonderful.  SuperLumina might be better with Statement, but once everything was run in I would certainly want to audition just for peace of mind.  Absolutely hideously expensive but relatively quite cheap in the context of Statement.

Bryce Curdy posted:

Peder posted:

JN,.....we have a guy in Sweden who has Statement pre and power,I know that he has Chord Music-cables in his system. But I don't know if he has it (Chord Music), between pre and power.

I shall try too check this up.

/Peder ???? 

I think Chord Music is wonderful.  SuperLumina might be better with Statement, but once everything was run in I would certainly want to audition just for peace of mind.  Absolutely hideously expensive but relatively quite cheap in the context of Statement.

Agree,....first run in...burn in.After that,try Chord Music ????????????.

/Peder ???? 

How about Tellurium Q Statement? Statement for Statement.

Thank you all for your input!

Not wanting to put anyone in any kind of trouble, I would go back to what I wrote in my first post, that is - I spoke with knowledgeable people who did indicate a change from SuperLumina between NAC S1 and NAP S1 would be beneficial.

I took the time over last weeks and read through all the Expensive Cables threads that search function served up for me, and would like to mention here that even top cables from established manufacturers amount to a very small percentage of the amplifier value (even though there were mentions of benchmarks 10%-30% of the cost in extreme in those threads).

Chord Music has come out top in all discussions I have had so far with people whose opinion I value, followed closely by Transparent Cable Reference. I will for sure compare those with Super Lumina as XLR interconnect between NAC S1 and the source, as well as between the NAC S1 and NAP S1 pair.

The source will be an MSB Select II, with built in renderer fed by UnitiCore through a dedicated HewlettPackard switch.

Best, JN

JN

Your last post makes a great deal of sense and as others have said, it would make most sense to allow yourself a time period - I have no idea what that time period should be - perhaps others could suggest likely burn in time for Statement and cables - perhaps 3-6 months? - before looking at alternative cable solutions.  Until everything has burned in (or whatever the correct term is!) you won't properly have established a reference sound quality with the system performing optimally.  After that, comparisons would take on more relevance IMO.  

Hope you enjoy your fab new kit.

Peter

J Novak posted:

Thank you all for your input!

Not wanting to put anyone in any kind of trouble, I would go back to what I wrote in my first post, that is - I spoke with knowledgeable people who did indicate a change from SuperLumina between NAC S1 and NAP S1 would be beneficial.

I took the time over last weeks and read through all the Expensive Cables threads that search function served up for me, and would like to mention here that even top cables from established manufacturers amount to a very small percentage of the amplifier value (even though there were mentions of benchmarks 10%-30% of the cost in extreme in those threads).

Chord Music has come out top in all discussions I have had so far with people whose opinion I value, followed closely by Transparent Cable Reference. I will for sure compare those with Super Lumina as XLR interconnect between NAC S1 and the source, as well as between the NAC S1 and NAP S1 pair.

The source will be an MSB Select II, with built in renderer fed by UnitiCore through a dedicated HewlettPackard switch.

Best, JN

Thanks for info.

And speakers?

Best regards

Hans

J Novak, congratulations ! Please be patient with the Statement for the first few months. Your patience will be rewarded.

I use a full loom of Chord Sarum cables including power cable, interconnects be it XLR, DIN to RCA, RCA to RCA etc and speaker cables. This was introduced to me by my hardcore friend who is also a member of this forum. Is nice but I have tin ears. My friend, however, is a bona fide golden ear who is anal to nth degree (I meant this as a compliment, don't get me wrong) & he has a full loom of this Chord Sarum in his 500 series based system. We have the same speakers.

HansW posted:

J Novak posted:

Thank you all for your input!

Not wanting to put anyone in any kind of trouble, I would go back to what I wrote in my first post, that is - I spoke with knowledgeable people who did indicate a change from SuperLumina between NAC S1 and NAP S1 would be beneficial.

I took the time over last weeks and read through all the Expensive Cables threads that search function served up for me, and would like to mention here that even top cables from established manufacturers amount to a very small percentage of the amplifier value (even though there were mentions of benchmarks 10%-30% of the cost in extreme in those threads).

Chord Music has come out top in all discussions I have had so far with people whose opinion I value, followed closely by Transparent Cable Reference. I will for sure compare those with Super Lumina as XLR interconnect between NAC S1 and the source, as well as between the NAC S1 and NAP S1 pair.

The source will be an MSB Select II, with built in renderer fed by UnitiCore through a dedicated HewlettPackard switch.

Best, JN

Thanks for info.

And speakers?

Best regards

Hans

Gryphon Pantheon for now, with an aspiration to go with Magico M6 upon a move to a new living space.

Peder posted:

JN,.....we have a guy in Sweden who has Statement pre and power,I know that he has Chord Music-cables in his system. But I don't know if he has it (Chord Music), between pre and power.

I shall try too check this up.

/Peder ???? 

Now I have done this,the swedish guy I talk about has.......

◾ Super Lumina between Statement pre/power.

◾ Super Lumina from Statement power to speakers.

◾ Chord Music from Lp12.

There you have it,he also is a member in this forum.

/Peder ???? 

Peder posted:

Peder posted:

JN,.....we have a guy in Sweden who has Statement pre and power,I know that he has Chord Music-cables in his system. But I don't know if he has it (Chord Music), between pre and power.

I shall try too check this up.

/Peder ???? 

Now I have done this,the swedish guy I talk about has.......

◾ Super Lumina between Statement pre/power.

◾ Super Lumina from Statement power to speakers.

◾ Chord Music from Lp12.

There you have it,he also is a member in this forum.

/Peder ???? 

Thanks Peder - I am inclined to follow the same pattern :-)

SuperLumina between NAC S1 and NAP S1, Chord Music between the NAC S1 and MSB.

I am only in a conundrum which ethernet cable to use between the MSB renderer and the switch, but that is a different can of worms which I choose not to open at this time.

Best, JN

J Novak posted:

Peder posted:

Peder posted:

JN,.....we have a guy in Sweden who has Statement pre and power,I know that he has Chord Music-cables in his system. But I don't know if he has it (Chord Music), between pre and power.

I shall try too check this up.

/Peder ???? 

Now I have done this,the swedish guy I talk about has.......

◾ Super Lumina between Statement pre/power.

◾ Super Lumina from Statement power to speakers.

◾ Chord Music from Lp12.

There you have it,he also is a member in this forum.

/Peder ???? 

Thanks Peder - I am inclined to follow the same pattern :-)

SuperLumina between NAC S1 and NAP S1, Chord Music between the NAC S1 and MSB.

I am only in a conundrum which ethernet cable to use between the MSB renderer and the switch, but that is a different can of worms which I choose not to open at this time.

Best, JN

I guess those of us with a tendency towards Hifi OCD would be inclined towards Chord Music Ethernet cables... 

J Novak posted:

HansW posted:

J Novak posted:

Thank you all for your input!

Not wanting to put anyone in any kind of trouble, I would go back to what I wrote in my first post, that is - I spoke with knowledgeable people who did indicate a change from SuperLumina between NAC S1 and NAP S1 would be beneficial.

I took the time over last weeks and read through all the Expensive Cables threads that search function served up for me, and would like to mention here that even top cables from established manufacturers amount to a very small percentage of the amplifier value (even though there were mentions of benchmarks 10%-30% of the cost in extreme in those threads).

Chord Music has come out top in all discussions I have had so far with people whose opinion I value, followed closely by Transparent Cable Reference. I will for sure compare those with Super Lumina as XLR interconnect between NAC S1 and the source, as well as between the NAC S1 and NAP S1 pair.

The source will be an MSB Select II, with built in renderer fed by UnitiCore through a dedicated HewlettPackard switch.

Best, JN

Thanks for info.

And speakers?

Best regards

Hans

Gryphon Pantheon for now, with an aspiration to go with Magico M6 upon a move to a new living space.

Wow. That is really a (my) dream system you are putting together. It would be great to hear more about it once you start getting it in place.

Good luck

Hans

J Novak posted:

Peder posted:

Peder posted:

JN,.....we have a guy in Sweden who has Statement pre and power,I know that he has Chord Music-cables in his system. But I don't know if he has it (Chord Music), between pre and power.

I shall try too check this up.

/Peder ???? 

Now I have done this,the swedish guy I talk about has.......

◾ Super Lumina between Statement pre/power.

◾ Super Lumina from Statement power to speakers.

◾ Chord Music from Lp12.

There you have it,he also is a member in this forum.

/Peder ???? 

Thanks Peder - I am inclined to follow the same pattern :-)

SuperLumina between NAC S1 and NAP S1, Chord Music between the NAC S1 and MSB.

I am only in a conundrum which ethernet cable to use between the MSB renderer and the switch, but that is a different can of worms which I choose not to open at this time.

Best, JN

JN,....that's good thinking,I agree. The Source First-rule❗ 

BUT,....as you say,ehternet-cables....O dear ????. Importent,I know,but a different can of worms as you say.

The only advice I can give you about ehternet-cables are,....Don't do a fast A-B tests.Many do that mistake,....when you have change to another eht-cable in your system.Let it sit there (and play music at low level) for at least 15-20 minutes before you listen.

I don't know why,some say's it has something to do with the "clocking" from switch to streamer. BUT,....the "music flow" is better after that time.At some eht-cables your hear this more,on other less. But if you are a good listener with experience you hear this. So no critical listening the first 15-20 minutes after changing eht-cables.

An story,....one Chord eht-cable that we try, sounds like it was "broken" the first 15-20 minutes.

Just an advice,.....believe it or not ????.

/Peder ???? 

J Novak posted:

Peder posted:

Peder posted:

JN,.....we have a guy in Sweden who has Statement pre and power,I know that he has Chord Music-cables in his system. But I don't know if he has it (Chord Music), between pre and power.

I shall try too check this up.

/Peder ???? 

Now I have done this,the swedish guy I talk about has.......

◾ Super Lumina between Statement pre/power.

◾ Super Lumina from Statement power to speakers.

◾ Chord Music from Lp12.

There you have it,he also is a member in this forum.

/Peder ???? 

Thanks Peder - I am inclined to follow the same pattern :-)

SuperLumina between NAC S1 and NAP S1, Chord Music between the NAC S1 and MSB.

I am only in a conundrum which ethernet cable to use between the MSB renderer and the switch, but that is a different can of worms which I choose not to open at this time.

Best, JN

My suggestion would be to start out with a decent quality certified CAT5e cable, which costs virtually nothing. Then, if the mood takes you, start trialling other cables, both cheap and expensive, which may sound different and/or better. 

Thank you all for the comments - I really appreciate them!

I will indeed start with the bulk type LAN cables, then move to dearer ones. I did listen to Vertere and Audioquest LAN cables recently, with noticeable difference, however, it was more of a different sound rather than one better than the other.

This will be my biggest challenge. In the process, I will also test the Jcat M12 switch, with its own set of cables, and am looking forward to report back my findings on that beast.

Best, JN

Hungryhalibut posted:

How about Tellurium Q Statement? Statement for Statement.

I am trying to do so, too. I have not yet found a trust worthy source of information, plus it is a daunting task to compare all the cables. There are just too many variables, and I am currently consumed with establishing a procedure to make sure I can really tell what I am hearing. Being a physicist by training, I am vaguely familiar with scientific method, but I am struggling here, to be perfectly honest.

Best, JN

zoot posted:

Polarbear posted:

I would be inclined to leave well alone, if Super Lumina has been specifically designed for the purpose then why change?

 

Very different to the XLR's between the 552 and 500 which was always the weakest link for the 552/500 combination.

 

Hi PB, Might you have suggested that the XLRs between the 500 and the 552 are the 'weakest link" ?  Does that suggest SLs can be bettered( chord music) ?

Hi Zoot, the standard XLR's between 552 and 500 are not Super Lumina cables. Super Lumina is an optional upgrade and there are other options available. As you suggest, Chord do XLR's for Naim and Vertere do as well. I personally use Vertere which was an improvement on the Chord Indigo XLR's I had before.

MDFdude posted:

J Novak, congratulations ! Please be patient with the Statement for the first few months. Your patience will be rewarded.

 

I use a full loom of Chord Sarum cables including power cable, interconnects be it XLR, DIN to RCA, RCA to RCA etc and speaker cables. This was introduced to me by my hardcore friend who is also a member of this forum. Is nice but I have tin ears. My friend, however, is a bona fide golden ear who is anal to nth degree (I meant this as a compliment, don't get me wrong) & he has a full loom of this Chord Sarum in his 500 series based system. We have the same speakers.

 

 

 

 

i see on your profile naim statement speakers?   they exist?  or error writing.....

French Rooster posted:

MDFdude posted:

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i see on your profile naim statement speakers?   they exist?  or error writing.....

I read his profile as 4 sources, then Naim Statement (so S1 Pre & 2* S1 Power), then Speakers Proac.

J Novak posted:

Thank you all for the comments - I really appreciate them!

I will indeed start with the bulk type LAN cables, then move to dearer ones. I did listen to Vertere and Audioquest LAN cables recently, with noticeable difference, however, it was more of a different sound rather than one better than the other.

This will be my biggest challenge. In the process, I will also test the Jcat M12 switch, with its own set of cables, and am looking forward to report back my findings on that beast.

Best, JN

you should ask “Dark Bear” member, he has the statement pre and uses chord music i am quite sure to remember.  As for the m12( 6 or 8 k switch),  i am very curious....Here a lot of us use the cisco 2960 8tc switch, the best for involvement and prat.

I am not sure that specific Cisco is the only killer switch to be honest, I am therefore going with an equivalent Hewlett Packard one, built around the same industrial principles.

Regarding the M12, my curiosity is driving the effort, so hopefully we will all come out of this a bit better informed.

Best, JN

Hi Zoot, the standard XLR's between 552 and 500 are not Super Lumina cables. Super Lumina is an optional upgrade and there are other options available. As you suggest, Chord do XLR's for Naim and Vertere do as well. I personally use Vertere which was an improvement on the Chord Indigo XLR's I had before.

 

PB, I’d be interested which Vertere’s you chose. I’m looking to improve on the standard issue DIN-XLRs, but a bit reluctant to go with SL a) because of price and b) because I’m unlikely to go SL full loom given my speakers seem to like Mogami speaker cable. I’ve tried the WitchHat alternative DIN/XLR’s but felt they were merely different to, not better than standard cables. 

J Novak posted:

I am not sure that specific Cisco is the only killer switch to be honest, I am therefore going with an equivalent Hewlett Packard one, built around the same industrial principles.

Regarding the M12, my curiosity is driving the effort, so hopefully we will all come out of this a bit better informed.

Best, JN

i have heard the tcxo jcat switch with hdplex psu, for around 700 dollars combo. I finally preferred the cisco 2960( same price new).  But as you said, the hewlett-packard is probably as good.    I once opened a topic for this ultra expensive m12 switch, because i was curious.

So you will be the first one here to test it.  We will see what you will think about it.   I will follow you...   

My Statement is driving a pair of ProAc Carbon 8

getting back to topic after many experiments - the interconnects between source and preamp - well there is a variety of those on the market, including the excellent ones from Vertere which to me are top value for money.

But the cable between preamp and power, whether the standard Din/XLR, Superlumina or Snaic, well the ones supplied or made by Naim are the ones best suitable for the job to my ears for the Naim sound that I am looking for.

The statement uses fully balanced XLR cables between preamp and power amp, so that cable was specifically made for the statement amp.

The review of ChordMusic on the Chord Website (and Jason Kennedy's the ear) says the same thing, the most effectiveChord Music cable, is the one between source and preamp