Dipping toes into the NAS (world) with no clue and getting rid of the CD player

French Rooster posted:

Stephen Tate posted:

Sorry folks, another question - how do I copy music from my laptop to the NAS?

I can't see anything obvious...i'm really starting to think I should of got a Core, i'm finding  all this just too complicated. It's one of the reasons why I have never owned a smart phone, I just can't get on with them, i'm starting to feel the same with a NAS.

Thanks

for sure, the core is more elegant and simple to use.  Like you i hate computers and would never go for a nas.  It is ugly, make noise, and you need to go to your pc with it.

But if you can put it in other room, it’s better.     But it saves you some cash vs the uniticore solution.

Try perhaps to be patient, wait some days more and after you will decide if you keep your nas.

The guys in this forum who advised you the nas are computer friendly. For them it is very simple.    But the core will give you also some difficulties at the beginning, but overall it is simpler.

To be honest with you FR, i'm coming close to packing it all away, sending it all back, get a Rega RP6 and phono stage instead, keep the laptop as I was and keep the USB DAC (so easy) and just stream from Qobuz if I listen to digital. I might even just keep the CD player too. I'm looking to upgrade but it's becoming more and more obvious to me I can't, not digitally any how.

Stephen Tate posted:

French Rooster posted:

Stephen Tate posted:

Sorry folks, another question - how do I copy music from my laptop to the NAS?

I can't see anything obvious...i'm really starting to think I should of got a Core, i'm finding  all this just too complicated. It's one of the reasons why I have never owned a smart phone, I just can't get on with them, i'm starting to feel the same with a NAS.

Thanks

for sure, the core is more elegant and simple to use.  Like you i hate computers and would never go for a nas.  It is ugly, make noise, and you need to go to your pc with it.

But if you can put it in other room, it’s better.     But it saves you some cash vs the uniticore solution.

Try perhaps to be patient, wait some days more and after you will decide if you keep your nas.

The guys in this forum who advised you the nas are computer friendly. For them it is very simple.    But the core will give you also some difficulties at the beginning, but overall it is simpler.

To be honest with you FR, i'm coming close to packing it all away, sending it back, get a Rega RP6, keep the laptop and USB DAC and just stream from Qobuz if I listen digital. I might even just keep the CD player too.

the problem is you have no streamer yet.  Some use the streamers like ndx or 272 only with tidal:  you have no use of computer at all with tidal streaming, just sit on your sofa and choose music on your ipad.  The new streamers will give tidal sounding very very near the streaming from nas or core for sound quality.     Try to go to a shop and use tidal with a naim streamer, you will realize how confortable and magic it is.

After, if you want, you can use use nas, core or even stream from your laptop in the beginning.

Get a streamer first, keep your nas in a box for now or sell it.  When you will get your nd5xs, or second hand ndx ( better choice for me), things will change.

I can easily send the NAS back and get a full refund, it won't be a problem. I don't think, after this experience, that I will mind rebuilding my music collection from scratch with vinyl again. 

Stephen Tate posted:

Hi Chris,

Do I just drag the music folder to the Qnap drive?

I don't really understand what you mean.

Thanks

Juat navigate to the folder you want to store your music in on the NAS, and drag the music folders from your computer into that. 

Don’t panic, you’re nearly there! Once it’s all done, you can just forget about it and play music. 

Stephen

Your music files are held in a directory on your laptop called Music, you can open this from 'My PC'

The NAS files are on your M drive, remember M for Music!  You can also open this from My PC.

If you have them both open at the same time you can drag and drop them from your Music folder to your M drive, of if you prefer use the copy and paste commands like I showed you last night.  

I wouldn't give up now it is all working, including Asset, all you need now is the streamer and you will be up and running.

Richard

Ok, i'll try and give it a go! 

Richard, if I succeed, please ignore my E-mail in asking how to restore to factory settings. 

Stephen Tate posted:

French Rooster posted:

Stephen Tate posted:

Sorry folks, another question - how do I copy music from my laptop to the NAS?

I can't see anything obvious...i'm really starting to think I should of got a Core, i'm finding  all this just too complicated. It's one of the reasons why I have never owned a smart phone, I just can't get on with them, i'm starting to feel the same with a NAS.

Thanks

for sure, the core is more elegant and simple to use.  Like you i hate computers and would never go for a nas.  It is ugly, make noise, and you need to go to your pc with it.

But if you can put it in other room, it’s better.     But it saves you some cash vs the uniticore solution.

Try perhaps to be patient, wait some days more and after you will decide if you keep your nas.

The guys in this forum who advised you the nas are computer friendly. For them it is very simple.    But the core will give you also some difficulties at the beginning, but overall it is simpler.

To be honest with you FR, i'm coming close to packing it all away, sending it all back, get a Rega RP6 and phono stage instead, keep the laptop as I was and keep the USB DAC (so easy) and just stream from Qobuz if I listen to digital. I might even just keep the CD player too. I'm looking to upgrade but it's becoming more and more obvious to me I can't, not digitally any how.

Once you get a streamer, I think you’ll find it’s a good way to access your music collection. I had no prior experience of this stuff, but now I understand the basics of how it all works, I wouldn’t go back. 

Having said that, you still have options. Instead of spending say £2k on an ND5XS, that would buy you a very nice DAC to use with your computer, and I would suggest that you listen to something like that to see if you prefer it to the sound you get from a streamer. Naim’s V1 DAC is designed for exactly that purpose, and there are alternatives from Chord and others. The NAS would still be a good way to store your music if you do this. 

Stephen Tate posted:

I can easily send the NAS back and get a full refund, it won't be a problem. I don't think, after this experience, that I will mind rebuilding my music collection from scratch with vinyl again. 

Stephen, I don't know how many times in my life I spent time and energy, with a lot of frustration, in an attempt to accomplish a task that another who had the expertise and could perform the task quite easily.

Perhaps you have a local computer services company that could come by and set up the NAS .......  It would certainly be at a small fraction of the cost of building a music collection from scratch with vinyl. (which could be a worthwhile project and certainly a much more expensive proposition)

YAY!!!!

I've only gone and bloody done it [said in a Del boy voice] !!!!

I have managed to transfer my music files to the NAS!!

I need a stiff drink!!

Well, they're still transferring BUT....!

Stephen Tate posted:

YAY!!!!

I've only gone and bloody done it [said in a Del boy voice] !!!!

I have managed to transfer my music files to the NAS!!

I need a stiff drink!!

Well, they're still transferring BUT....!

well done!    i feel the nas will stay.  Perhaps now, if you make an order to a new naim streamer, the dealer can borrow you a streamer.   You will probably never go to your cd payer back...

trickydickie posted:

Stephen

Your music files are held in a directory on your laptop called Music, you can open this from 'My PC'

The NAS files are on your M drive, remember M for Music!  You can also open this from My PC.

If you have them both open at the same time you can drag and drop them from your Music folder to your M drive, of if you prefer use the copy and paste commands like I showed you last night.  

I wouldn't give up now it is all working, including Asset, all you need now is the streamer and you will be up and running.

Richard

I think I have done or am doing it Richard.

Thank you so much for your patience, as you can see from my posts I was becoming frustrated so please forgive me if I sound unappreciative!

Fingers firmly crossed.

French Rooster posted:

well done!    i feel the nas will stay.  Perhaps now, if you make an order to a new naim streamer, the dealer can borrow you a streamer.   You will probably never go to your cd payer back...

This was and still is the plan!

I will be glad to say goodbye to my CD player and move on to a Naim streamer, especially the new Naim ND5 XS 2.

Sorry for all the negative posts folks, I was becoming frustrated and thought I had made a mistake but now I have managed to transfer some music over to the NAS, I now feel a whole lot better!

I think I was being impatient and letting that get the better of me.

Thanks guys

ChrisSU posted:

Once you get a streamer, I think you’ll find it’s a good way to access your music collection. I had no prior experience of this stuff, but now I understand the basics of how it all works, I wouldn’t go back. 

Having said that, you still have options. Instead of spending say £2k on an ND5XS, that would buy you a very nice DAC to use with your computer, and I would suggest that you listen to something like that to see if you prefer it to the sound you get from a streamer. Naim’s V1 DAC is designed for exactly that purpose, and there are alternatives from Chord and others. The NAS would still be a good way to store your music if you do this. 

Hi Chris,

Do you think it's worth considering the Naim NDAC as well?

Actually, you may have thrown in a curve ball here, I have always fancied a DAC V1, I could add a NAP200 for good measure?

Thanks

Stephen, glad you can see some light at the end of the tunnel hopefully the new streamers will be available shortly regarding an Ndac or streamer I would suggest you spend some time with the dealer to see what you are more comfortable with and suits your requirements.

Whichever route you take your dealer should install and set it up to ensure that it is working to your satifaction and give guidance as needed.

Take your time enjoy your journey and keep ripping.

One final point second hand CDs are so cheap these days it cost's very little to increase your music collection and since I ditched my CD player a few years back I am buying far more CDs than ever before and a wider genre of music in fact I had five CDs turn up this morning they cost just over a tenner for the five all ripped and being played.

Stephen Tate posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Once you get a streamer, I think you’ll find it’s a good way to access your music collection. I had no prior experience of this stuff, but now I understand the basics of how it all works, I wouldn’t go back. 

Having said that, you still have options. Instead of spending say £2k on an ND5XS, that would buy you a very nice DAC to use with your computer, and I would suggest that you listen to something like that to see if you prefer it to the sound you get from a streamer. Naim’s V1 DAC is designed for exactly that purpose, and there are alternatives from Chord and others. The NAS would still be a good way to store your music if you do this. 

Hi Chris,

Do you think it's worth considering the Naim NDAC as well?

Actually, you may have thrown in a curve ball here, I have always fancied a DAC V1, I could add a NAP200 for good measure?

Thanks

The reason I mentioned the V1 is that it is specifically designed to take a USB feed from a computer. The NDAC cannot do this unless you add a USB to SPDIF converter, so although it’s a ‘better’ DAC, it isn’t quite as neat a solution as the V1.

Stephen Tate posted:

Sorry folks, another question - how do I copy music from my laptop to the NAS?

I can't see anything obvious...i'm really starting to think I should of got a Core, i'm finding  all this just too complicated. It's one of the reasons why I have never owned a smart phone, I just can't get on with them, i'm starting to feel the same with a NAS.

Thanks

Stephen, it would limit the enjoyment of  your would-be-acquired streamer if you do not own or plan to own a smartphone, or an iPad.

Pcd posted:

One final point second hand CDs are so cheap these days it cost's very little to increase your music collection and since I ditched my CD player a few years back I am buying far more CDs than ever before and a wider genre of music in fact I had five CDs turn up this morning they cost just over a tenner for the five all ripped and being played.

 

Ok for us audiophiles who are fortunate enough to own great systems who have the space and time to gain such insight but not so good for the artists who give us all this wonderful music in the first place, who I feel should still at least have something from it all regardless...I know their music has already been paid for in the first place but the irony is always there for each and everyone of us in the end I guess...

Thanks

Frank Yang posted:

Stephen Tate posted:

Sorry folks, another question - how do I copy music from my laptop to the NAS?

I can't see anything obvious...i'm really starting to think I should of got a Core, i'm finding  all this just too complicated. It's one of the reasons why I have never owned a smart phone, I just can't get on with them, i'm starting to feel the same with a NAS.

Thanks

Stephen, it would limit the enjoyment of  your would-be-acquired streamer if you do not own or plan to own a smartphone, or an iPad.

Hi Frank,

I may have to buy an expensive remote control for the system if need be. As for a phone, i'm still using an old Nokia that does just fine and the battery lasts over a week!

Thank you for the heads up.

Stephen Tate posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Once you get a streamer, I think you’ll find it’s a good way to access your music collection. I had no prior experience of this stuff, but now I understand the basics of how it all works, I wouldn’t go back. 

Having said that, you still have options. Instead of spending say £2k on an ND5XS, that would buy you a very nice DAC to use with your computer, and I would suggest that you listen to something like that to see if you prefer it to the sound you get from a streamer. Naim’s V1 DAC is designed for exactly that purpose, and there are alternatives from Chord and others. The NAS would still be a good way to store your music if you do this. 

Hi Chris,

Do you think it's worth considering the Naim NDAC as well?

Actually, you may have thrown in a curve ball here, I have always fancied a DAC V1, I could add a NAP200 for good measure?

Thanks

Yes, you could use the V1, but it would mean fiddling with the computer to get music playing, which was what you wanted to avoid. Now that the nas is sorted out you need the streamer. It’s a case of waiting for the ND5XS2, or getting one of the legacy products now and living with the reduced functionality. 

As your dipping your toes into the world of NAS, why not try a squeezebox touch.

They’re available second hand for under a ton. Dead easy to set up, rock solid, works perfectly every time. Sound quality not fantastic, but it has digital output, (spdif and usb), so you can add a Naim DAC if you want.

Hungryhalibut posted:

Stephen Tate posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Once you get a streamer, I think you’ll find it’s a good way to access your music collection. I had no prior experience of this stuff, but now I understand the basics of how it all works, I wouldn’t go back. 

Having said that, you still have options. Instead of spending say £2k on an ND5XS, that would buy you a very nice DAC to use with your computer, and I would suggest that you listen to something like that to see if you prefer it to the sound you get from a streamer. Naim’s V1 DAC is designed for exactly that purpose, and there are alternatives from Chord and others. The NAS would still be a good way to store your music if you do this. 

Hi Chris,

Do you think it's worth considering the Naim NDAC as well?

Actually, you may have thrown in a curve ball here, I have always fancied a DAC V1, I could add a NAP200 for good measure?

Thanks

Yes, you could use the V1, but it would mean fiddling with the computer to get music playing, which was what you wanted to avoid. Now that the nas is sorted out you need the streamer. It’s a case of waiting for the ND5XS2, or getting one of the legacy products now and living with the reduced functionality. 

Yup, thanks for reminding me here Nigel, you are bang on the money.

I'm going to stick with my original plan and wait for the ND5 XS 2 to come along. Something spiritual is telling me that this new range is worth waiting for and that's what i'm going to do.  My original idea was to have simplicity as well as functionality, and I don't want power supply upgrades in the way either, as well as my laptop being tied up for music, so....?

Streaming is a wunnerful thing. Sitting here in the rear conservatory, typing this on my tablet, while using that same tablet to drive fifty quids worth of RPi-based streamer into our triamped Briks.

Hang on, album’s finished.....time to set up some new toons without having to leave my chair......

Edit: Buqqer, the wine glass is empty..........now if I could only find a way to stream Chateauneuf..........

fatcat posted:

As your dipping your toes into the world of NAS, why not try a squeezebox touch.

They’re available second hand for under a ton. Dead easy to set up, rock solid, works perfectly every time. Sound quality not fantastic, but it has digital output, (spdif and usb), so you can add a Naim DAC if you want.

Hi,

Would you consider this a forward step from just using a laptop into a Arcam irDAC via JitterBug & USB?

Suzy Wong posted:

Hang on, album’s finished.....time to set up some new toons without having to leave my chair......

 

Crikey, that doesn't sound very energetic!

Stephen Tate posted:

Suzy Wong posted:

Hang on, album’s finished.....time to set up some new toons without having to leave my chair......

 

Crikey, that doesn't sound very energetic!

I had to get up to refill the wine glass. That’s what I call energetic!