LP12 Radikal Problem

Exact Peder.
I lived the problem Trampoline2/the engine Radikal in 2010. I use Spaces 1.5mm PVC with double adhesive, spaces out aluminum is very well also ! Spaces 1.5mm wooden less interesting.

I think I know what President T would call this arrant nonsense

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Although not a radikal owner...as far too expensive for what it is ...I have a certain far east based alternative..so can appreciate the clearance problem ..

Personally I don't use a base board at all ..I thought the trampoline completely smothered the sound..

Anyone with an lp12 should at least try removing the bottom board ... whatever type it is..and even if they just support the deck on the four corners with level blocks as a temporary measure .. TRY IT !!!

notnaim man posted:

For those who want a calm and considered discussion, this is on the Scottish forum under the thread "Should it be like this?"

Agreed and perhaps when there ask Linn for an informed comment? As I say, d

Delighted with mine and no need for corks, Trampoline 2 removal, foam inserts and the like. If it was indeed that bad I’m surprised that Linn isn’t flooded with returns and refunds.

Still the new Technics superdeck (see latest issue of HiFi News) does seem to be the future - for vinyl replay anyways..if I was starting over it would be on my list.

JoexNaim posted:

I had nothing but trouble with LP12 Radikal, too fussy and fiddly at its price point for my liking.

Also had to take a ferry to get it serviced properly. Eventually bought a maintenance-free deck. Had I known about his issue I’d have worried even more....lol.

Blimey you must be the only person with a maintenance-free deck.....

.....Technics SL1200G.....set it up and forget about it.

Never need a new cartridge then? I must get one of these

Japtimscarlet posted:

Anyone with an lp12 should at least try removing the bottom board ... whatever type it is..and even if they just support the deck on the four corners with level blocks as a temporary measure .. TRY IT !!!

AFAIK there's live stuff underneath and Linn don't endorse the suggestion.

Christopher_M posted:

Japtimscarlet posted:

Anyone with an lp12 should at least try removing the bottom board ... whatever type it is..and even if they just support the deck on the four corners with level blocks as a temporary measure .. TRY IT !!!

AFAIK there's live stuff underneath and Linn don't endorse the suggestion.

No and you might invalidate your home insurance.  

Although I do not have a Radikal I think Peder should be congratulated for the well meaning and if you do own a Radikal/Trampolin base essential information and as for his exictable style I would rather that than some of the negative, sniping, sarcasm and criticism that passes for helpful discussion on this forum.

If you do find Peder's individuality and enthusiasm irksome no need to bother reading his threads or his posts is there?

Bob the Builder posted:

Although I do not have a Radikal I think Peder should be congratulated for the well meaning and if you do own a Radikal/Trampolin base essential information and as for his exictable style I would rather that than some of the negative, sniping, sarcasm and criticism that passes for helpful discussion on this forum.

If you do find Peder's individuality and enthusiasm irksome no need to bother reading his threads or his posts is there?

+ 1, well done Peder!

I did check mine and the motor was pressing the upper part of the Trampolin2 foot.

I cut the upper part of the feet by 53mm, so it doesn’t touch the motor case. What a sound! I’m rediscovering my LP collection.

In the meantime I bought the latest version Trampolin 2 with the rotated screw positions. This is what Linn have done so far, but that’s not enough. The motor is still touching the foot. I described the issue on the Linn forum, under another name there.

Some say to remove the bottom cover of the motor, but it’s part of the design. I guess the cover provides EMI and RFI protection and gives a bigger weight for less vibration while the motor is in action.

Linn should definitely come out with a solution here, a new construction of the motor foot seems the easiest way.

It's strange this issue is only now widely coming to light

So many dealers must have just bolted on the motor..slapped on the base ..and gone " job done"

If linn really couldn't be bothered to supply a custom base in the ( 3k upwards !) Price of this kit ..then it really should have reduced the size of the motor assembly by a few mm. There is about 6mm between the bottom of the maxon brushed motor and the inside of the motor housing ..to accommodate the wires and the insulation..and then the base is another 5mm or so thick ...so plenty of scope to give some extra clearance

But to be honest, a custom base would have cost linn maybe £50 in materials and could have become the new "standard" base easily ..

All a bit shoddy on a pricey upgrade IMO

Don’t forget it is inconsistent plinth height that is causing this issue. When Linn designed this motor and base concept it was no doubt based around the current plinth they were selling. 

With plinth height variations being reported by nearly 3mm you cannot blame Linn for fit issues entirely. Particularly if the plinth is not of Linn supply post Radikal/Urika/Tramp date.

What is (and consistently seems to be) a huge issue is the attention to detail that dealers building the decks pay to these sort of issues. The design of the LP12 and the dealer is either the decks success or undoing. It’s not hard to do but it’s very easy to get wrong. 

Totally agree a custom Trampolin should come as standard with the Radikal upgrade. I wonder if the 3rd part mobel has the same problems?

I'm guessing the mober does have this issue also..

I do own the mober ..but don't use a base of any kind..but I remember on fitting the motor that I thought " you can see it hanging down quite low"

At the end of the day...it's still a maxon motor in a case so it will be very similar to Linn's version

Silence from Linn on this one is deafening. The Radikal is seriously expensive (as is the LP12). Why not give all Trampolin owners, who also have a Radikal, a re-engineered Trampolin that has correct clearance? Then gather all the old ones, respray them and ship them with the Majik as standard, which would be a seriously appealing upgrade.

Linn need to reclaim their integrity for the LP12 for it to flourish in the future.

JoexNaim posted:

Silence from Linn on this one is deafening. The Radikal is seriously expensive (as is the LP12). 

Linn need to reclaim their integrity for the LP12 for it to flourish in the future.

My meaning with this thread was to inform everybody here who has an LP12 (and they are alot) about this problem,what you do when you know about the problem is up to you.

But I can see, that the information already has give some members here,who has Radikal/Trampolin better soundquality from their LP12's....THATS GOOD. Many here has also send me a mail and got more information that way.  I take it that way, because my small "Stalker-group",think this very,very IMPORTENT INFORMATION to you,the members who maybe has this problem is annoying,irksome ????????.

◾ This is the biggest SCANDAL in the LP12's history,and has going on in so many years.....the LP12 on Klimax-level, cost in Sweden around € 25 000:-.

Think the car-industri,if they have a problem with some car-model,they take it back and solve the problem....BUT,... this has, to this date NOT happend with this famous expensive turntable. You should be chocked, if I tell you all I know about this LP12-issue, and the response from Linn.

I'm busy now,but later (in a couple of days), I can give a little more information about/around this subject in this thread.....IF,...my "Stalker-group" can stay away from this,my thread.

/Peder???? 

Moderated Post:  Peder, please do not post email addresses either on threads, in public profile or in wall posts.  All is publicly viewable and therefore it is not safe to post such information.  I will remove any such email addresses when I see them to ensure the safety of members. furthermore please take heed of forum rules.  It would appear that this issue is taking on something of an agenda for you.  If it continue to develop in this way I will have no option but to remove the thread in its entirety as this contravenes forum rules.  The Naim forum is not to be used for such purposes.  I would advise  you to take the issue up with Linn directly rather than try to use Naim's forum as a platform for potential campaign. Thank you.

Richard,.....shit,I thought that only members could see the Wall info. If all is publicly viewable than,....THANK YOU for taking it away.

No not an agenda,I have give the information so all members can check their players. The information I talk about now, that I can write about in a couple of days,is different ways if you for yourself will fix the problem.

/Peder???? 

It's quite bizarre, a power supply and motor which costs way more than a sh lp12 having a Valhalla, circus kit, decent arm and element not performing good. I know that power supplies can be expensive like Naims 555ps, but that is good without doubt.

...their can only be one solution; if motor is touching base, then remove base and put jenga blocks under plinth: 3 ideally to stop wobbles. Personally I’d then post Trampoline back to Linn and ask for a reworked base when available please?

As I’ve said before it’s not touching my base. The are times even with dealer fits that a cable if not properly routed around the inside of the plinth can become trapped under the motor and cause issues. As memory serves I think that Peter Swain has some of the botches in his LP12 rogues gallery.

Ravenswood10 posted:

As I’ve said before it’s not touching my base. The are times even with dealer fits that a cable if not properly routed around the inside of the plinth can become trapped under the motor and cause issues. As memory serves I think that Peter Swain has some of the botches in his LP12 rogues gallery.

Indeed, I have lots of pictures of lot's and lot's of things......................

However, it's worth pointing out that personally (and to be very clear on this, I am not commenting on behalf of anyone other than myself) I have only come across the issue Peder describes once with a factory plinthed client deck in the past 6-7 years since the launch of the Radikal - It was a late 70s Afro plinth and as you can imagine/realise, I see a lot of LP12s.

Just to add, I have also had one report recently from a client who I know and respect who sets-up his own LP12 these days, reporting the same issue but that's it. At  present I know of no other Trampolin 2 contact situations following the 45 degree rotation of the Trampolin 2 foot fixing some 6 years ago and as Ravenswood points out; care needs to be taken with cable routing for sure, as there is not much space spare but it should be sufficient.

Hope this clarifies the issue and also the magnitude of the issue as reported here.

If any owner is concerned about the possibility of contact between their Trampolin 2 and Radikal motor, I suggest they contact their Linn retailer for a check so as their mind can be put at rest.

Regards,

Peter Swain

Peter,

Thanks for putting things into perspective.

All the best 

Richard

peter or peder?