Munich

Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

It’ll be interesting to see if they produce one, or a grown-up Poly for Dave - though personally I wish they made the present Poly usable with any of their DACs, and gave it an SD instead of micro-SD slot for music storage - that would readily enable all my music on one device, usable with Dave at home, and a Mojo for mobile, no synching needed, identical player software etc - pretty ideal really ...if only.

Innocent Bystander posted:

French Rooster posted:

i read the commentary on Apoxona show in the stereotimes site:  chord intended sound was: chord dave, chord blue, and chord cpm integrated ( 14 k dollars) driving Raidho d41 140k speakers!    curious set up: chord intended sound is to drive 140k speakers with 14k integrated...

why not supernait driving Wilson 200k Alexandria?

And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with mega expensive speakers driven by a relatively inexpensive amp as long as the amp is up to it - and maybe that will be the point of their demo.

maybe you are right..

tonym posted:

Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

Dave fronted by an NDX (and associated cables) already trumps my CD555, but my inner geek says upsampling a signal can’t produce anything that’s authentically better than a native feed. But then a lot of things have sailed over my inner geek’s head these last few years. If there is such a beast at Munich I’d appreciate Bert’s views.

SamClaus posted:

analogmusic posted:

I wonder what chord electronics are announcing tomorrow ???

There's an announcement from PMC as well - coming tomorrow. New, revised Facts?

pmc to announce "trump fact" speakers -

no change to the speaker ,but much improved specs - 

benjy posted:

SamClaus posted:

analogmusic posted:

I wonder what chord electronics are announcing tomorrow ???

There's an announcement from PMC as well - coming tomorrow. New, revised Facts?

pmc to announce "trump fact" speakers -

no change to the speaker ,but much improved specs - 

Unbelievable tweeter I’ve heard.

G

GraemeH posted:

benjy posted:

SamClaus posted:

analogmusic posted:

I wonder what chord electronics are announcing tomorrow ???

There's an announcement from PMC as well - coming tomorrow. New, revised Facts?

pmc to announce "trump fact" speakers -

no change to the speaker ,but much improved specs - 

Unbelievable tweeter I’ve hear  

woofer specs down to 10hz - after all, how low can you go?

tonym posted:

Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

How I wish this were true..... Sadly it just ain't so.

 I've heard Blu2/Dave many times, and there's no scenario in which bare Dave no matter how it is fed (and I have tried) sounds better than Blu2/Dave.

Nick Lees posted:

tonym posted:

Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

Dave fronted by an NDX (and associated cables) already trumps my CD555, but my inner geek says upsampling a signal can’t produce anything that’s authentically better than a native feed. But then a lot of things have sailed over my inner geek’s head these last few years. If there is such a beast at Munich I’d appreciate Bert’s views.

Dave is already upsampling, in fact every Chord DAC upsamples, the level of sophistication depends on the machine, but they all do from Mojo all the way to Blu2/Dave. 

Since you liked Dave enough to buy it, it could be interesting to hear Blu2 for yourself - it gives you a more of what made you buy Dave.... 

benjy posted:

GraemeH posted:

benjy posted:

SamClaus posted:

analogmusic posted:

I wonder what chord electronics are announcing tomorrow ???

There's an announcement from PMC as well - coming tomorrow. New, revised Facts?

pmc to announce "trump fact" speakers -

no change to the speaker ,but much improved specs - 

Unbelievable tweeter I’ve hear  

woofer specs down to 10hz - after all, how low can you go?

And a lovely orange veneer

analogmusic posted:

tonym posted:

Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

that's complete nonsense TonyM. I've heard Blu2/Dave many times, and there's no scenario in which bare Dave no matter how it is fed (and I have tried) sounds better than Blu2/Dave.

Analogmusic..........what were the combinations with DAVE that you compared to the Blu2/DAVE?

Innocent Bystander posted:

benjy posted:

GraemeH posted:

benjy posted:

SamClaus posted:

analogmusic posted:

I wonder what chord electronics are announcing tomorrow ???

There's an announcement from PMC as well - coming tomorrow. New, revised Facts?

pmc to announce "trump fact" speakers -

no change to the speaker ,but much improved specs - 

Unbelievable tweeter I’ve hear  

woofer specs down to 10hz - after all, how low can you go?

And a lovely orange veneer

But I’m sure how well they handle female singers.

Muttonjef posted:

analogmusic posted:

tonym posted:

Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

that's complete nonsense TonyM. I've heard Blu2/Dave many times, and there's no scenario in which bare Dave no matter how it is fed (and I have tried) sounds better than Blu2/Dave.

Analogmusic..........what were the combinations with DAVE that you compared to the Blu2/DAVE?

as unbelievable as it seems, the Dave makes Hugo TT sound broken, and Blu2/Dave makes the Dave sound broken.

It doesn't matter how what sources are used, whether Naim HDX, Auralic Aries streamer, Macbook Pro with Audirvana, Laptop with Jriver.....  I would have thought the Naim HDX was easily the best source, but the Blu2 is something from another planet compared to bare Dave.

I couldn't listen to Hugo anymore once I heard Dave and it is proving very difficult to pretend Blu2 doesn't exist (for me)

Should we rename this thread Dave?

well - I'm a lot more interested in what Chord electronics are releasing tomorrow than in anything thing else by any other company 

analogmusic posted:

Muttonjef posted:

analogmusic posted:

tonym posted:

Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

that's complete nonsense TonyM. I've heard Blu2/Dave many times, and there's no scenario in which bare Dave no matter how it is fed (and I have tried) sounds better than Blu2/Dave.

Analogmusic..........what were the combinations with DAVE that you compared to the Blu2/DAVE?

as unbelievable as it seems, the Dave makes Hugo TT sound broken, and Blu2/Dave makes the Dave sound broken.

It doesn't matter how what sources are used, whether Naim HDX, Auralic Aries streamer, Macbook Pro with Audirvana, Laptop with Jriver.....  I would have thought the Naim HDX was easily the best source, but the Blu2 is something from another planet compared to bare Dave.

I couldn't listen to Hugo anymore once I heard Dave and it is proving very difficult to pretend Blu2 doesn't exist (for me)

So, in your view, every DAC preceding Blu2/DAVE is broken, and therefore 99% of us "unfortunates" that do not have the means or inclination to comitt that sort of money, have "broken" kit?

I have a BMW 320D and you a Ferrari 488 Pista. My car is clearly broken and of no worth! 

The term broken is ridiculous!!!

Ignorance is bliss

if I could turn back the clock and un hear Dave and blu2 I would !!!

i can’t afford blu 2 either 

i wont ever be buying a statement either but from a safe distance I do admire it?

Alba1320 posted:

analogmusic posted:

of course...... but Naim made amplifiers before speakers..... the very first product Naim made was the amplifier.... 

SNIP

 

Apparently, this was Naim's first product:

Naim NAM 502 Loudspeaker (although it has a built-in amp).

Produced the year before Naim Audio was 'formally incorporated', but (seemingly) sporting a Naim logo.

Nice find - I always wondered what they looked like. 

James

analogmusic posted:

Muttonjef posted:

analogmusic posted:

tonym posted:

Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

that's complete nonsense TonyM. I've heard Blu2/Dave many times, and there's no scenario in which bare Dave no matter how it is fed (and I have tried) sounds better than Blu2/Dave.

Analogmusic..........what were the combinations with DAVE that you compared to the Blu2/DAVE?

as unbelievable as it seems, the Dave makes Hugo TT sound broken, and Blu2/Dave makes the Dave sound broken.

It doesn't matter how what sources are used, whether Naim HDX, Auralic Aries streamer, Macbook Pro with Audirvana, Laptop with Jriver.....  I would have thought the Naim HDX was easily the best source, but the Blu2 is something from another planet compared to bare Dave.

I couldn't listen to Hugo anymore once I heard Dave and it is proving very difficult to pretend Blu2 doesn't exist (for me)

Whilst I think Dave is oceans away from Hugo, it no way made Hugo sound broken, let alone TT slightly above it. Hugo still sounded very good indeed, and if I counldn’t have afforded Dave I would have happliy carried on with it, though forever aware of what more was possible.

Curious, though: if you couldn’t listen to Hugo any more after Dave, how do you cope with Mojo? Presumably it sounds like a bag of rusty nails! 

And Dave broken by adding Blu - that must be a real wow moment!!!! I presume youve bought Blu now, as you wouldn’t be able to listen to Dave without it?

Oh the hyperbole in this forum!!!!!!

Alba1320 posted:

analogmusic posted:

of course...... but Naim made amplifiers before speakers..... the very first product Naim made was the amplifier.... 

SNIP

 

Apparently, this was Naim's first product:

Naim NAM 502 Loudspeaker (although it has a built-in amp).

Produced the year before Naim Audio was 'formally incorporated', but (seemingly) sporting a Naim logo.

A bit more info from Mr Dane back in 2012 (he's probably got some mint ones tucked away somewhere !)

NAM 402 Loudspeaker.  Two-way passive design from 1969-1975.  Used a 200mm bass driver and 25mm H/F driver both made by Goodmans.  Used as a broadcast and small studio monitor as well as domestically. 

 There was also a NA 502 that used the same drivers built to IBA approval with an integral single channel NAP160.  This was for broadcast and studio use, 12 pairs of which were used by Capital Radio.

Finally there was the NA 602 which was manufactured by Mordaunt-Short for Naim.  This only lasted a year until Linn developed their Isobarik, at which point Naim ceased to offer loudspeakers until the arrival of the SBL in 1985.

Anyway back to the Cho... I mean Munich thread 

Alba1320 posted:

analogmusic posted:

of course...... but Naim made amplifiers before speakers..... the very first product Naim made was the amplifier.... 

SNIP

 

Apparently, this was Naim's first product:

Naim NAM 502 Loudspeaker (although it has a built-in amp).

Produced the year before Naim Audio was 'formally incorporated', but (seemingly) sporting a Naim logo.

Nice try Alba, and I like the sentiment, however...  

The NAM 502 was introduced in 1972, designed and built to IBA approval for broadcast and studio use (12 pars of them were installed in the Capital Radio studios) and incorporating a power amp, which was effectively one half of a NAP160. 

And that last bit is the clue..  the first Naim product to be designed was the NAP200 (nee 250), from which also derived the NAP160. And the first to be sold was the NAP160 (in 1971).

Mojo is for the car......... compared to the bog standard car audio it is bliss.

I have not purchased Blu2 as I can't afford it.... but yes it is a real wow moment.

It just sounds so unlike any digital source (including Dave).... the dream of "perfect sound forever" (sony and Philips) come true.

as for Hugo and TT sounding broken..... well they sound a bit etched to me, but Mojo doesn't.

Mojo has a better and later generation FPGA - in fact the FPGA in Mojo is so advanced, Chord Used it for Hugo 2 

Eek!  OK, I'm busted.  In spite of its Goodmans connection, the NAM 402 may have been the first Naim product.  My notes say it first appeared in 1969. But, whether it actually qualified as a proper Naim product, with only a tiny number made,  is another question, so as far as history is concerned, it's the NAP160.

Dagnabbit!  If it wasn't for you pesky kids...

analogmusic posted:

tonym posted:

Nick Lees posted:

I’d be interested in a Blu2 but without the CD bit (I already have a world class CD player I don’t use). I’ve been told a couple of times by dealers I need to hear Dave fronted by the Blu2 (and to keep a tight hold of my socks).

Same here Nick. My dealer kindly demonstrated the combination to me a couple of weeks ago, and it definitely added something good to DAVE's sound quality. But I really don't want to fork out for a CD mechanism I'm very unlikely to use. A friend & fellow Forumite reckons the same CD ripped to Melco & streamed sounds better than when played direct on the Blu2/DAVE. 

 

How I wish this were true..... Sadly it just ain't so.

 I've heard Blu2/Dave many times, and there's no scenario in which bare Dave no matter how it is fed (and I have tried) sounds better than Blu2/Dave.

Sorry, you misunderstood. I meant streaming from Melco through the DAVE/Blu2 combination, as opposed to DAVE/Blu2 playing the CD directly.