This is how NOT to speak to a prospective customer over the phone

Posted by: Alonso on 24 May 2018

So this is the dealio; I wanted to demo the SCM40 actives against the passive version (with a NAP250) - So I thought to myself..., that can't be too hard?  I'll check out who carries both Naim and ATC in my area and drop them a line, which was something along the lines of:

"I am wondering if it could be possible to book a demonstration of ATC’s SCM40A and SCM40 with a Naim NAP250.  I am particularly interested in this speaker / power amp combination. You can choose the source/pre you deem fit

2 dealers got back to me; dealer A and dealer B

Dealer A replied first "We are sure we can help you, perhaps it would be useful for us to have a chat about your system plans" - To which I thought, OK, you could've said, "Yes, we have the kit you want to demo, or we don't" but fair enough ...  So I give dealeroo A a ring.

The guy was pleasant and very polite - You know, that middle-class / middle-age salesperson demeanour, the type that makes you feel all warm inside and finds everything you say funny,  yeah... that type.

Anyway, the first thing he said after I described my system and explained (again) what I wanted,  was "Oh I have a power supply that will make your NDX shine". When I said it was not an NDX that I had but a ND5 XS, he said it might not be a good enough source for the SCM40 - (fair enough, he's entitled to his opinion)  This was followed by him telling me he did not have the speakers I wanted to demo in stock, and that I would really struggle to find a hifi dealer that had both passive and actives SCM40 for demo. Fair enough, but the bit that took the biscuit  was "we could use a pair of SCM11 because they'll give you a good idea of the 'ATC sound"  - I was a bit taken aback to be honest... His solution (when I said that the SCM11 was not what I wanted) was to suggest that maybe he could ask Naim for a pair of Actives as demo "If I tell them that I will sell them"

Is this the way most dealers do business? He basically broke every rule in the book 

Dealer B got back to me a few hours later, his response?

"Yes, have both speakers in stock as well as a NAP250. I'll use a NACN272. When would you like to come?" No, opening pleasantries , no 'kind regards' at the end. The dude didn't even put his name on the email, but guess which one I'll be visiting....

[RANT OVER]

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by Eoink
SongStream posted:

Also, pretty difficult to determine during a phone conversation.

If you want a Statement audition, get your butler to ring to make the appointment, that should do it. 

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by SongStream
Eoink posted:
SongStream posted:

Also, pretty difficult to determine during a phone conversation.

If you want a Statement audition, get your butler to ring to make the appointment, that should do it. 

 True, but only if he speaks very very plumb-like, and can convey that he's currently polishing a Bentley.

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by Emre

A good would have invite you into store then do the Sales pitch when you are ready  

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by SongStream
SongStream posted:
Eoink posted:
SongStream posted:

Also, pretty difficult to determine during a phone conversation.

If you want a Statement audition, get your butler to ring to make the appointment, that should do it. 

 True, but only if he speaks very very plumb-like, and can convey that he's currently polishing a Bentley.

..Or she.

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by Perol
French Rooster posted:

a good dealer should say you » hey Guy! this is Naim intended sound, all other combos are bullshit! »

But this would requite Chord Dac and Dynaudio speakers plus Vertere cables ????

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by French Rooster

with champagne 

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by Christopher_M
Alonso posted:
The guy was pleasant and very polite - You know, that middle-class / middle-age salesperson demeanour...

Is this the nub?

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by French Rooster
Perol posted:
French Rooster posted:

a good dealer should say you » hey Guy! this is Naim intended sound, all other combos are bullshit! »

But this would requite Chord Dac and Dynaudio speakers plus Vertere cables ????

exactly !  it is My Naim Intended Sound!

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by hungryhalibut
French Rooster posted:
analogmusic posted:

a dealer can tell from the way you carry yourself, talk, what clothes etc. if you have the money for a Naim system or not.

I am not saying it's the right approach, but some people just like to waste a dealer's time. 

today bigpocket persons go to restaurants in baskets and tee-shirts....and poor persons borrow the costume.....

I’m not sure what you mean by baskets, but I get the idea, and you are right. The people who dress up to go out are often those whose job involves wearing scruffy clothes to work, and vice versa. A good salesperson would never judge people on appearances. I’ll always wear scruffy clothes when I’m looking to buy something expensive, such as a car, and if the salesperson turns up their nose I just go elsewhere.

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by Perol
analogmusic posted:

a dealer can tell from the way you carry yourself, talk, what clothes etc. if you have the money for a Naim system or not.

 

∆∆ Nominated as one of the most silly bizare post today

Then what is right way of carrying and clothes please ?

As for having money for a Naim system..you can't be serious ! ????

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by SongStream

Is this the correct attire to make a dealer take you seriously?

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Posted on: 24 May 2018 by analogmusic

well a good dealer can tell between the amateurs and people who know their hi-fi.

remember, dealers are in business  to sell hi-fi and make money. They got bills to pay like everyone else.

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by SongStream
analogmusic posted:

well a good dealer can tell between the amateurs and people who know their hi-fi.

remember, dealers are in business  to sell hi-fi and make money. They got bills to pay like everyone else.

But what about people who don't know their hifi b*****ks and just love music? 

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by analogmusic

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by Massimo Bertola

The way I see it, the whole matter may be summarized so: that 14 members answered your post (trying, each in his own way, to help or comment) but you only thanked one, twice. And were as quick as the lightning to adopt parts of his point of view, changing your mind about principles upon which you had previously been firm as a rock when it was about complaining about the dealers.

Truth is, to my eyes, you think you deserve the 'better' dealer because he seemed able to meet your requirements, but in reality you are the complaining type, unable to accept a different point of view and remarking twice on some lack of 'pleasantries' on the second dealer's part when you're doing exactly the same thing with 13 people.

Best

M.

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by SongStream

Image result for snob

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by analogmusic

Thanks Massimo - for saying exactly what I think in better words.

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by analogmusic

Hi dealer, i want a Naim system, no make that a STATEMENT !

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by Muttonjef

Stop it analogmusic my sides are hurting!!!! 

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by Simon-in-Suffolk

This is the funniest thread I have read in ages.. keep it up.. 

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by hafler3o
Hungryhalibut posted:
French Rooster posted:
analogmusic posted:

today bigpocket persons go to restaurants in baskets and tee-shirts....and poor persons borrow the costume.....

I’m not sure what you mean by baskets, …

Trainers.

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by analogmusic
SongStream posted:
analogmusic posted:

well a good dealer can tell between the amateurs and people who know their hi-fi.

remember, dealers are in business  to sell hi-fi and make money. They got bills to pay like everyone else.

But what about people who don't know their hifi b*****ks and just love music? 

DO THEY HAVE MONEY OR NOT?

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by analogmusic

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by Perol
analogmusic posted:

well a good dealer can tell between the amateurs and people who know their hi-fi.

remember, dealers are in business  to sell hi-fi and make money. They got bills to pay like everyone else.

So what camp do you see yourself in ?

????????????

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by Massimo Bertola
analogmusic posted:

a dealer can tell from the way you carry yourself, talk, what clothes etc. if you have the money for a Naim system or not.

analog,

I am both doubtful and relieved that it may not be really so. A dealer I know very well, and who has a store with goods for a ton of money of the most expensive and fashionable brands, once saw a man coming in. The man was low, with a prominent belly, in a cheapish sporting tracksuit, hair covering the back of his neck, the look of an ill-dressed and idling loiterer.

So he courteously greeted him and immediately detoured him to one of his shop boys, forgetting his existence. A couple of days later the man came back and, with a gentle but solid irony, remarked to the owner that he had been 'abandoned' to people who was not up to the task.

It turned out that the man is a renown cardiologist, holder of a number of patents about medical gear that are, btw, a standard in many US hospitals, and has such an amount of money, and lives in such a gorgeous ancient historic villa, that I am not able to tell you the number of zeros that characterize his financial life. He ended buying for about, I think, half a million €, probably more. Now how do you think the owner now treats him, when he visits the store, independently of his dress code?

Dealer do smell money, and that's it; it's their eyes that sometimes fool them, because looks are deceiving and biases are hardest than diamonds.