This is how NOT to speak to a prospective customer over the phone

Posted by: Alonso on 24 May 2018

So this is the dealio; I wanted to demo the SCM40 actives against the passive version (with a NAP250) - So I thought to myself..., that can't be too hard?  I'll check out who carries both Naim and ATC in my area and drop them a line, which was something along the lines of:

"I am wondering if it could be possible to book a demonstration of ATC’s SCM40A and SCM40 with a Naim NAP250.  I am particularly interested in this speaker / power amp combination. You can choose the source/pre you deem fit

2 dealers got back to me; dealer A and dealer B

Dealer A replied first "We are sure we can help you, perhaps it would be useful for us to have a chat about your system plans" - To which I thought, OK, you could've said, "Yes, we have the kit you want to demo, or we don't" but fair enough ...  So I give dealeroo A a ring.

The guy was pleasant and very polite - You know, that middle-class / middle-age salesperson demeanour, the type that makes you feel all warm inside and finds everything you say funny,  yeah... that type.

Anyway, the first thing he said after I described my system and explained (again) what I wanted,  was "Oh I have a power supply that will make your NDX shine". When I said it was not an NDX that I had but a ND5 XS, he said it might not be a good enough source for the SCM40 - (fair enough, he's entitled to his opinion)  This was followed by him telling me he did not have the speakers I wanted to demo in stock, and that I would really struggle to find a hifi dealer that had both passive and actives SCM40 for demo. Fair enough, but the bit that took the biscuit  was "we could use a pair of SCM11 because they'll give you a good idea of the 'ATC sound"  - I was a bit taken aback to be honest... His solution (when I said that the SCM11 was not what I wanted) was to suggest that maybe he could ask Naim for a pair of Actives as demo "If I tell them that I will sell them"

Is this the way most dealers do business? He basically broke every rule in the book 

Dealer B got back to me a few hours later, his response?

"Yes, have both speakers in stock as well as a NAP250. I'll use a NACN272. When would you like to come?" No, opening pleasantries , no 'kind regards' at the end. The dude didn't even put his name on the email, but guess which one I'll be visiting....

[RANT OVER]

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by nigelb

Is that bulge in your pockets money Sir, or are you just keen to develop a relationship with me?

Oooh.....errr......missus!

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by analogmusic

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by TOBYJUG
The Strat (Fender) posted

 

Toodle-pip Lord Analog

LMAO.   

Analord

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by benjy

Well, I have the honor of being my hi-fi shops first customer and I don't know how many (many) years later it is,but I still shop there. But if he had to depend on me for any sort of volume,he would have had to close many years ago! Still my relatively modest linn/naim harbeth/tandberg system is far from modest in my eyes and sounds (almost - sighs) as good as I want. Fortunately my tattered  attire still gets me thru the door.

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by analogmusic

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by SamClaus

Not really sure what this thread is about.

Surely if you ask a dealer a simple question (do you have xxx in stock?) and he/she gives a simple answer (yes, I do), then you can't complain, he's answered your question, he's done his job.

As for the dealer who doesn't think you're a suitable customer because you're wearing the wrong kind of clothes... well, there are plenty of other dealers in Britain.

Alonso, you have my sympathy...

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by hungryhalibut

All I know is that anyone who thinks these dreadful internet pictures are amusing should be banned from the shop. They can be dressed as poshly as they like, and have silver spoons in every orifice, but nothing can redeem them. 

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by Mr Frog

Alonso ..... I use ND5xs and find that it is certainly “good enough” for my active ATC’s - using ATC SCA2 preamp into the ATC 40A

..... although I don’t use the internal DAC on the ND5xs and have a Chord Hugo (original version) from the digital output (BNC to RCA). I find that this gives superior sound ... to my ears!

Apparently N272 straight into ATC 40A is pretty awesome too ????

Give it a go and see what you think.

Afterall, it’s your cash and you will be living with the system you eventually decide upon .... not the dealer!

Personally I think that active ATC’s sound superior to the passive version, regardless of the power amp.

For example, a certain other forum member replaced his high end Naim power amps in favour of the active 100’s - which were far better than the passive option.

With ATC, go active if you can.

 

 

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by analogmusic
Hungryhalibut posted:

All I know is that anyone who thinks these dreadful internet pictures are amusing should be banned from the shop. They can be dressed as poshly as they like, and have silver spoons in every orifice, but nothing can redeem them. 

I don't know which one you are referring to.

I have a cat that I love very much, and if any of the cat pictures is the issue I will delete.

 

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by SongStream

Image result for annoying cat pictures

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by nigelb

Sorry HH, couldn't resist.

See you all in the Padded Cell.

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by RussR

Note to Customers :" Due to the nature of our business casual browsing is not permitted"???????

Please place wallets on the scales at the entranceway to allow our security to determine your eligibility of passage!!!!!

The first quote is from a gunsmiths in London when I was there in 1986.

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by analogmusic

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by SongStream

Now you're just going too far.

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by The Strat (Fender)
nigelb posted:

Is that bulge in your pockets money Sir, or are you just keen to develop a relationship with me?

Oooh.....errr......missus!

Priceless!

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by nigelb
The Strat (Fender) posted:
nigelb posted:

Is that bulge in your pockets money Sir, or are you just keen to develop a relationship with me?

Oooh.....errr......missus!

Priceless!

Yes, I would like to think Tommy would like that one-liner. He of course was the master and I am not worthy.

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by SongStream
nigelb posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:
nigelb posted:

Is that bulge in your pockets money Sir, or are you just keen to develop a relationship with me?

Oooh.....errr......missus!

Priceless!

Yes, I would like to think Tommy would like that one-liner. He of course was the master and I am not worthy.

Two aerials met on a roof.  They fell in love and got married.  The ceremony was terrible, but the reception was amazing. 

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by SongStream

So I rang my local hifi dealer.  I said 'I want a Naim Statement in my house'.  He said 'Well, I'm not stopping you'.

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by nigelb

I went to buy some camouflage trousers the other day but I couldn't find any.

….this could go on for a while.

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by nigelb

While the cat's away…..

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by SongStream

Image result for cat on holiday

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by dave marshall

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by French Rooster
SongStream posted:

Image result for cat on holiday

Richard is a cat?     administrator on day, cat on holiday....

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by nigelb

Someone, please explain to FR, I'm off to bed.

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by French Rooster
nigelb posted:

Someone, please explain to FR, I'm off to bed.

i understood, when the cat is away, the mousses are dancing......    i just commented the photo, it was funny to imagine Richard as a cat in the armchair.....