Mimiserver and Asset UpnP not recognising majority of albums ripped by UnitiServe

Posted by: Terrysmi on 24 May 2018

I have almost 2000 albums ripped on a Unitiserve and stored on a NAS as WAV's  . For a number of reasons I am thinking of moving away from the Unitiserve. However, when I try and apply either MimiServer or Asset UPnP to those UnitiServe rips then whilst all tracks are picked up only about 10% are recognized as albums - can anyone provide any insight here please ? 

Interestingly if I apply Roon to the same rips it picks everything up fine and Sonos does the same with the MP3 versions the Unitiserve produced 

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by ChrisSU

The Unitiserve has its own way of storing metadata, which makes it unreadable by most other devices. You need to convert it to FLAC on the Unitiserve, then it will be usable on other devices. Try just converting one album, and you should be able to see if this solves your problem.

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by Adam Zielinski

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Just to clarify - Unitiserve rips to WAV, but does not append metadata to the WAV files. That is why UPnP servers do not ‘see’ those files as ‘albums’. Metadata is stored in special files. The image above shows 3 files below a cover that contain the necessary info for the Unitiserve to ‘see’ the metadata.

Other UPnP servers will still work ok with a folder view.

 

 

 

Posted on: 24 May 2018 by trickydickie

You need to convert them to FLAC, then the metadata will be placed into the files rather than being stored in a separate database.

Posted on: 25 May 2018 by Terrysmi

Thanks for the feedback and input . Chrissu you say i have to convert to FLAC on the UnitiServe , how do i do that please ? 

If i just use some format conversion software wont it have the same outcome ? 

Posted on: 26 May 2018 by hungryhalibut

For the files in the Serve’s MQ folder it is essential that you use the Serve for the conversion. It is something you do in the desktop client. There is a convert to flac command somewhere. You can set it to convert the whole library, rather than one album at a time. It can take a day or two if you have a large collection. It’s about five years since I did it, hence why I’m a bit vague. Hopefully you’ll be able to find it, if not ask Phil Harris at Naim. 

Posted on: 26 May 2018 by Adam Zielinski
Terrysmi posted:

Thanks for the feedback and input . Chrissu you say i have to convert to FLAC on the UnitiServe , how do i do that please ? 

If i just use some format conversion software wont it have the same outcome ? 

It’s adtually not as per HH’s answer.

There is no ‘convert’ commad. You need to change the ripping format from WAV to FLAC. This will start the conversion process. With 2000 albums I’d expect the conversion to take several days, if not a week. 

As to your second question - I think you know the answer already. If a metadata is not present in WAV files at the moment....

Posted on: 26 May 2018 by hungryhalibut

Adam, I remember that there are two flac settings: one to make future CDs rip to flac, and one to convert the existing WAV library. It’s the latter one I’m referring to. Naim tend to call these things something that’s less than immediately obvious. 

Posted on: 26 May 2018 by Adam Zielinski

OK - I will double check and will post some pics for the OP.

Posted on: 26 May 2018 by Adam Zielinski

Ok - here we go....

Log on to the UnitiServe using a web browser. Best done using it's IP address on the network.

Step 1: Go to 'SYSTEM'

Step 2: Click on 'MUSIC STORES'

Step 3: Click on 'STORAGE FORMAT'

This will bring up the last screen shot.
Clicking NEXT will show a choice of formats: WAV or FLAC.
Clicking on either file format will start a conversion process (firmware 1.7b).

Step 1Step 2Step 3Step 4

Posted on: 26 May 2018 by ChrisSU
Terrysmi posted:

Thanks for the feedback and input . Chrissu you say i have to convert to FLAC on the UnitiServe , how do i do that please ? 

If i just use some format conversion software wont it have the same outcome ? 

Yes, you must do the conversion on the US before moving the music files. If you don’t, you will lose the metadata. 

If you use a Mac, you can convert with the N-Serve app. You can easily convert individual albums or your whole library. Control-click on the album: from the short dropdown list, choose the option to convert to FLAC. 

I imagine there will be a similar option on the DTC for PC users, but I haven’t tried it. 

Posted on: 27 May 2018 by Terry Smith

thanks again for all the input & guidance. I am going to get everything backed up and then try this . When I get it done I will let you know 

Posted on: 27 May 2018 by garyi

If you are willing to move the rips out of the store to a music share, MP3tag has a very simple command string that takes the wav files title names to append tags to the files, it works perfectly and would do the lot in minutes