Opposite polarities on each channel

Posted by: Beachcomber on 07 July 2018

Years ago (1970s) there was some discussion about swapping +ve and -ve on one channel input of a power amp, and swapping the speaker +ve and -ve on that same channel.  The idea was that there would be less demand on the power supply - so if both channels's input signals were rising, then in this case only one channel of the amplifier would be rising, the other would be falling.  Did anyone actually try that, and was there any improvement or degradation?

There was also some discussion about turning the loudspeakers to face the wall - the idea being that the sound would be more spread out or something.

I also remember reading about the idea of replacing the speaker leads with copper water piping - e.g. half-inch pipe - with multistrand wires inside. This was suggested because the contemporary idea was that low-frequency signals ran through the body of a wire, and high-frequency signals ran on the surface of wires, so multistrand (with thin strands) would carry the HF and the water pipe would carry the LF.  Interesting idea - except AIUI the surface-travelling frequencies are much higher than we encounter in audio.

Another suggestion was that pre-amp, power amp whould be supported on solid, heavy, tables, but the turntable should be on a flimsy shelf.

Any other weird and wonderful ideas?

Posted on: 07 July 2018 by fernar

Peter Belt used to suggest removing the LED from the Linn LP 12 switch... I also recall something about having odd number of pages in any book that happened to be in the listening room..!!!!! Other suggestions from the past included colouring CDs green (on the printed side)

Posted on: 07 July 2018 by ChrisSU
fernar posted:

Peter Belt used to suggest removing the LED from the Linn LP 12 switch...

My LP12 once came back from my dealer with the LED not working. It did sound much better, but I have foolishly been under the impression until now that this was down to the new cartridge he fitted. Thanks for enlightening me!

Posted on: 07 July 2018 by AndyP19

The wonderful weird wired world of Jimmy Hughes.

Posted on: 07 July 2018 by Japtimscarlet

So I could keep the missus happy by getting rid of those bulky speaker cables and just connecting the amp and speakers to the central heating?

I like the sound of that....

Posted on: 08 July 2018 by Innocent Bystander
Japtimscarlet posted:

So I could keep the missus happy by getting rid of those bulky speaker cables and just connecting the amp and speakers to the central heating?

I like the sound of that....

On most single ended amps (NOT bridged ones like the 500) you could conceivably do that for the ‘negative’, earth connected, speaker wire, and just run a single wire from the ‘positive’ to the speaker. But not on Naim amps requiring a specified minimum loading from the speaker cable itself for stability.

Posted on: 08 July 2018 by ayap1

Also many years ago ( seventies or eighties),I read in a hifi magazine that if you make 2 fried eggs and place one on each knee,you’ll hear an improved in SQ. Anyone remember reading that?

 

Posted on: 08 July 2018 by Super

Yeah, i remember that, also if you added a bit of brown sauce that would improve it  as well.

Posted on: 08 July 2018 by ayap1

Don’t remember or read the brown sauce bit.

Posted on: 08 July 2018 by Innocent Bystander
ayap1 posted:

Don’t remember or read the brown sauce bit.

Its an upgrade - may not have been reported before. Of course, you need to try for yourself, and compare with ketchup and other sauces to find the one that hits the right spot with your ears. 

Oh, and the eggs must be really runny., whites barely set. And if there is more than one person in the room they of course must all do it, otherwise they partially counter the effect.

Posted on: 08 July 2018 by Beachcomber

Lea & Perrins is said to be really good - though some people can't stand the effect it produces.

Posted on: 08 July 2018 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Innocent Bystander posted:
Japtimscarlet posted:

So I could keep the missus happy by getting rid of those bulky speaker cables and just connecting the amp and speakers to the central heating?

I like the sound of that....

On most single ended amps (NOT bridged ones like the 500) you could conceivably do that for the ‘negative’, earth connected, speaker wire, and just run a single wire from the ‘positive’ to the speaker. But not on Naim amps requiring a specified minimum loading from the speaker cable itself for stability.

This really makes little sense... we are talking AC signals here and not DC voltages... therefore the work is expended in moving the voltage of which the current is out of phase  rather than holding the voltage steady (back EMF)  ... I suspect if any effect was heard it was due to the phase of the channel crosstalk of lesser amps providing a spatial effect... an effect not dissimilar to that used in spatial enhancers...

Posted on: 08 July 2018 by Japtimscarlet
Japtimscarlet posted:

So I could keep the missus happy by getting rid of those bulky speaker cables and just connecting the amp and speakers to the central heating?

I like the sound of that....

 

You guys DO Know I was only joking???

People replying like I was serious...lol

Posted on: 08 July 2018 by Innocent Bystander
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:
Innocent Bystander posted:
Japtimscarlet posted:

So I could keep the missus happy by getting rid of those bulky speaker cables and just connecting the amp and speakers to the central heating?

I like the sound of that....

On most single ended amps (NOT bridged ones like the 500) you could conceivably do that for the ‘negative’, earth connected, speaker wire, and just run a single wire from the ‘positive’ to the speaker. But not on Naim amps requiring a specified minimum loading from the speaker cable itself for stability.

This really makes little sense... we are talking AC signals here and not DC voltages... therefore the work is expended in moving the voltage of which the current is out of phase  rather than holding the voltage steady (back EMF)  ... I suspect if any effect was heard it was due to the phase of the channel crosstalk of lesser amps providing a spatial effect... an effect not dissimilar to that used in spatial enhancers...

I know - but I was answering the theoretical possibility...

Posted on: 08 July 2018 by Innocent Bystander
Japtimscarlet posted:
Japtimscarlet posted:

So I could keep the missus happy by getting rid of those bulky speaker cables and just connecting the amp and speakers to the central heating?

I like the sound of that....

 

You guys DO Know I was only joking???

People replying like I was serious...lol

Yes - but just some fun answering! 

However, many years ago I did  once think about making 8Ω characteristic impedance speaker cables, for which one possibility included copper pipes- I never followed through.

Posted on: 08 July 2018 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Having said that if you can cope with the rigidity of copper tubular pipes it will provide a cheaper, high quality, lighter conductor for high power speakers as opposed to using cable...

Posted on: 08 July 2018 by Beachcomber

Would the 8mm microbore copper pipe be a reasonable compromise?

Posted on: 08 July 2018 by Innocent Bystander
Beachcomber posted:

Would the 8mm microbore copper pipe be a reasonable compromise?

Did you mean 8mm as the outer? That might produce rather a high capacitance cable, depending on the insulation of the inner. Or did you mean as an inner conductor, which with a large enough outer, say 42mm, which might allow air spacing and a lot lower capacitance, though might pose minor domestic challenges... 

Posted on: 08 July 2018 by Beachcomber

Ah - I was thinking of 8mm stuffed with very fine wires, a pair of such pipes for each channel (or each drive if active) - separated by a good air space, and possibly no insulation, or at most varnish.Of course, you would have to think carefully about how to fix the piping - obviously it must not touch the floor or all the music will leak out.  Possibly finest silk threads suspending the piping from overhead inverted cones which would be attached through sound-isolation systems to the ceiling - or along the underside of a shelf at a pinch.  The shelf would have to be made of rarest hardwoods, harvested in the early morning while the dew is still on the ground by dusky maidens chanting suitable songs.  The shelves would have to be shaped to deflect sound away.  Expensive, of course, but worth it.

Posted on: 08 July 2018 by Innocent Bystander

Ah, I had missed out on he dusky maidens ... syes, that would definitely make a difference !