Ovator speaker range

feeling_zen posted:

Sounsfaber posted:

S400 give a wide “hifi” sound stage for sure but I struggle for enjoyment/fun when I listen to them just dull and lifeless no X factor.The SL2 just give what they get. A great shame most haven’t herd them. Must remember they don’t know what they are missing......

Do you have the bends yet?

Suck it up because it’s true 

I bet you're the sort of person who finds a hornets nest on your house and bats at it with a stick. Or perhaps likes exploring caves while eating honey sandwiches?

He he, I’m more the person who knows Richard Dane lives with SL2 and not S400. That’s not to say he doesn’t like the S speakers but it does say he knows whats good.

The OP is just trolling imo. 

Sounsfaber posted:

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Do you have the bends yet?

Suck it up because it’s true 

 

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Innocent Bystander posted:

Sounsfaber posted:

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Do you have the bends yet?

Suck it up because it’s true 

 

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https://www.emedicinehealth.co...bends/article_em.htm

Sounsfaber posted:

Innocent Bystander posted:

Sounsfaber posted:

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Do you have the bends yet?

Suck it up because it’s true 

 

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https://www.emedicinehealth.co...bends/article_em.htm

Yes, I know perfectly well what ‘bends’ are, and I’ve even been in a decompression chamber, but what is the relevance of the question, and the ‘suck it up’ comment?

Let’s be civil gentlmen. Back to Ovators pleease.

Naim is fairly specific in its positioning guide for placing Ovators. It suggests > 0.5m to the sides. I'm with Joerand on them, who kindly reproduced salient points from the white paper which I had not seen. I can't help feeling that those who have disliked the Ovators may not have been able to locate them in enough space, especially to the sides. This strikes me as easy enough to imagine in many British rooms.

Unknowable of course.

Would loved to have heard a pair of S400s. Local Naim dealers didn't stock them

Sorry I didn’t mean to come over aggressive. It was more tongue in cheek. As pointed out by some other people whats The OP about?This chap just wants a debate. To justify his point of view. So I have challenged him.

Blood boil while referring to other people’s opinions as “nonsense” As I stated “suck it up/ deal with it and except it”

sure hope it’s ok with you?

Christopher_M posted:

Naim is fairly specific in its positioning guide for placing Ovators. It suggests > 0.5m to the sides. I'm with Joerand on them, who kindly reproduced salient points from the white paper which I had not seen. I can't help feeling that those who have disliked the Ovators may not have been able to locate them in enough space, especially to the sides. This strikes me as easy enough to imagine in many British rooms.

Unknowable of course.

Would loved to have heard a pair of S400s. Local Naim dealers didn't stock them

 

Brilliant. So you are suggesting that if someone didn't like them, they must have done something wrong? Now that won't rub anyone the wrong way I am sure.

I have no issue with people loving or hating them. I've never heard them. Maybe if I did I would love them because I've strongly disliked the previous Naim speakers which I am very familiar with. Some grudging respect for SBL having heard them for hundreds of hours but even those I'd never have bought in a 100 years.

All he seems to be writing is that, like with all speakers, there are certain pre-requisits to their positioning. And they also do benefit from top-notch electronics to power them.

I actually do own a pair of Ovators and use all the time and I can understand why they might not be everyone’s cup of tea.
A lot of my friends who come and visit ‘complain’ there isn’t sufficient bass. They come from a regular perception of a speaker. I then challenge them to sit down and have a listen, pointing out ultra fast response and trememndous low-mid range response. And ‘suddenly’ they realise there is plenty of bass which happens to be accompanied by a lot of other frequencies. 

It seems most odd to have to ‘point out’ the ultra fast response and excellent low midrange before visitors can enjoy them. Surely with a good speaker they should just be able to sit down and enjoy the music, assuming that the system can communicate the actual musical performance? That a speaker has to be justified seems to say something. Like others, I don’t really understand the point the OP is getting at. I’ve read lots of criticism of my speakers, including the ‘no bass’ and their idiosyncratic looks, but I like them and really don’t give a toss what others think. There are lots of people who ‘don’t like’ certain speakers but have never heard them, just like there are people who defend speakers against accusations again without having heard them. 

A very nice chap, who is a member of this fine Forum, visited me a while back. We listened to a few tunes and then he said something along the lines of - I’ve never heard a Naim speaker before but had always been told they were really bad, but actually this is really good. 

So long as people can find speakers they enjoy, and which work well in their house, everything is good. What others think is surely irrelevant. 

S600 are a completely different story. They do light up. 

OP is from BULL CREEK WA. Which translates to Western Australia, Bull creek. Either that refers to bull sharks or big bad arse cows. Whatever it is he’s a big boy who can look after himself.  I’m a New Zealander we enjoy debating and beating them at rugby ???? 

hey feeling zen I lived in Japan as a young man. Just loved every moment. So much I eat rice made in a Ferrari rice cooker almost every night. She’s from Yokohama ????

hungryhalibut posted:

It seems most odd to have to ‘point out’ the ultra fast response and excellent low midrange before visitors can enjoy them. Surely with a good speaker they should just be able to sit down and enjoy the music, assuming that the system can communicate the actual musical performance? That a speaker has to be justified seems to say something.

Nigel - just to clarify.

I explain the above only to those who come in and complaing heavily that there is no ‘booming bass’ they’ve been used to before. 
Some of the forum friends who came in to visit did not require any introduction at all Generally a coment they made was centred around ‘not too bad, not too bad at all

Adam

I guess ‘not too bad’ is not too bad. ‘Wow, this is great’ would of course be better. 

hungryhalibut posted:

I guess ‘not too bad’ is not too bad. ‘Wow, this is great’ would of course be better. 

That was my attempt at a British English understatement 

Adam Zielinski posted:

All he seems to be writing is that, like with all speakers, there are certain pre-requisits to their positioning. And they also do benefit from top-notch electronics to power them.

I actually do own a pair of Ovators and use all the time and I can understand why they might not be everyone’s cup of tea.
A lot of my friends who come and visit ‘complain’ there isn’t sufficient bass. They come from a regular perception of a speaker. I then challenge them to sit down and have a listen, pointing out ultra fast response and trememndous low-mid range response. And ‘suddenly’ they realise there is plenty of bass which happens to be accompanied by a lot of other frequencies. 

Sorry Adam I'm not convinced.

Listen to sinus Faber, focal Electra 1028 or better or any dynaudio...there's no need to ask where's the bass.

In the case of a b&w 805s I used to own it gave their pression of there being a subwoofer in the room. I mean there was no shortage of bass.

All these speakers give everything else including dynamic timing.

I remember hearing the ovartors and thinking is that all...... Nothing special at all...

One of my friends who has owned almost all the nain range took his Allaes to our Naim dealer hoping to buy ovators

The allaes came back and the ovators stayed in the showroom.

He bought Sonus Faber and I bought Dynaudio

Which brings us nicely round to the Focal speakers, some really like them and some do not. When I heard a pair recently at Naim, some liked, many did not. When I told my dealer, he said well you know Naim speakers had the same response over the years....bit like marmite. For me I have owned SBL, heard IBL and DBL, but none of the rest. Speakers are a very personal choice.

analogmusic posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

All he seems to be writing is that, like with all speakers, there are certain pre-requisits to their positioning. And they also do benefit from top-notch electronics to power them.

I actually do own a pair of Ovators and use all the time and I can understand why they might not be everyone’s cup of tea.
A lot of my friends who come and visit ‘complain’ there isn’t sufficient bass. They come from a regular perception of a speaker. I then challenge them to sit down and have a listen, pointing out ultra fast response and trememndous low-mid range response. And ‘suddenly’ they realise there is plenty of bass which happens to be accompanied by a lot of other frequencies. 

Sorry Adam I'm not convinced.

Listen to sinus Faber, focal Electra 1028 or better or any dynaudio...there's no need to ask where's the bass.

In the case of a b&w 805s I used to own it gave their pression of there being a subwoofer in the room. I mean there was no shortage of bass.

All these speakers give everything else including dynamic timing.

 

Everything except the Naim intended performance!!

Adam Zielinski posted:

hungryhalibut posted:

I guess ‘not too bad’ is not too bad. ‘Wow, this is great’ would of course be better. 

That was my attempt at a British English understatement 

As a typical British reaction, for  ‘not bad’ read ‘pretty good’. However if really stunning, depending on the person expect either an instantaneous unguarded “wow!” or a thoughtful silence followed by a quiet “That’s good. (Pause). Really good.”

Hi Gazza,  I'm one of the 'many did not' like the Focal Utopia's (or whatever they're called),     It's a bit strange as I did like the Focal Sopra-1 (same venue) & both Sopra-2 & Kanta-2 heard at friends & dealers.     Apart from the pug-ugly looks - another Focal 'Marmite' factor its seems with these same/similar styled Focals - I found those Utopia's sounded so different from the others I've heard, it left me wondering if they had something wrong.  

Innocent Bystander posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

hungryhalibut posted:

I guess ‘not too bad’ is not too bad. ‘Wow, this is great’ would of course be better. 

That was my attempt at a British English understatement 

As a typical British reaction, for  ‘not bad’ read ‘pretty good’. However if really stunning, depending on the person expect either an instantaneous unguarded “wow!” or a thoughtful silence followed by a quiet “That’s good. (Pause). Really good.”

Once I got: "They are rather good, aren't they?" 

That came from an Irish / English forum member

hungryhalibut posted:

analogmusic posted:

Adam Zielinski posted:

All he seems to be writing is that, like with all speakers, there are certain pre-requisits to their positioning. And they also do benefit from top-notch electronics to power them.

I actually do own a pair of Ovators and use all the time and I can understand why they might not be everyone’s cup of tea.
A lot of my friends who come and visit ‘complain’ there isn’t sufficient bass. They come from a regular perception of a speaker. I then challenge them to sit down and have a listen, pointing out ultra fast response and trememndous low-mid range response. And ‘suddenly’ they realise there is plenty of bass which happens to be accompanied by a lot of other frequencies. 

Sorry Adam I'm not convinced.

Listen to sinus Faber, focal Electra 1028 or better or any dynaudio...there's no need to ask where's the bass.

In the case of a b&w 805s I used to own it gave their pression of there being a subwoofer in the room. I mean there was no shortage of bass.

All these speakers give everything else including dynamic timing.

 

Everything except the Naim intended performance!!

I heard Naim intros once and that I loved

But ovators sorry .... I couldn't hear any of the fun of the intros...

Mike-B posted:

Hi Gazza,  I'm one of the 'many did not' like the Focal Utopia's (or whatever they're called),     It's a bit strange as I did like the Focal Sopra-1 (same venue) & both Sopra-2 & Kanta-2 heard at friends & dealers.     Apart from the pug-ugly looks - another Focal 'Marmite' factor its seems with these same/similar styled Focals - I found those Utopia's sounded so different from the others I've heard, it left me wondering if they had something wrong.  

Hi Mike, yes I like the Kanta 2 and Sopra 1, but with the latter not enough to buy. The Kanta came out a few months after I got my PMC 25.26. At a recent ND555 demo they used one of the Utopia range, it was OK , but they were £50 k plus speakers and I expect much more.

Well yes, you expect music to sound like music rather than a collection of sounds.