From 282/300 to 102/180
Posted by: Bob the Builder on 28 July 2018
I have finally made up my mind and decided to keep the 102/180in place of the 282/300. This isn't out of any real preference for one over the other as they both sound fantastic but just because I could easily live with both and obviously one is much, much more expensive than the other.
I have just bought a used Olive Hicap to power the 102 and am on the lookout for an Olive Napsc to replace the black box one. I will then own an amp I am very, very happy with and have no desire to change.
I spent the past four years wondering what magic the next black box or the new cable would bring into my system and to my listening pleasure but on the whole they usually brought very little improvements at all, occasionally there was a minor difference but on the whole for me I was usually underwhelmed.
But to have reached where I am today I needed to take the route I did and of course because Naim is such fantastic kit and so greatly loved and so easy to sell on I have actually ended up spending very little money and so I have absolutely no complaints and apart from straining my ears sometimes to hear some change in micro dynamics it has been a pleasure.
It really is source first and I have also just traded 'down' from a 1990 Cirkus bearing LP12 with Ittok and Lingo one to a late 70's red button LP12 with an FR12 tonearm which sounds fantastic with the Olive kit and apart from a Hercules 2 or maybe a used Mose if I can find one and a service I will live with it like that for a good while but any money I do spend in the future will be spent on my record player and not my amp.
Now I have reached a happy place with my system I'm really, really enjoying music more and have stopped just listening to music and records that I think make my system sound good and listen to all of my collection again.
This old LP12 with the Olive amp really is a joy to listen to with all genres and although of course 1st press and expensive 'audiophile' pressings do sound better it plays even very average pressings extremely well.
Posted on: 30 July 2018 by ngarritson
I once went from a 282/SC2/300 to a Nait 2, fronted by a CDS3. In some sonic respects, the Nait 2 was preferred. I retained the CDS3/Nait2 combo for several years of audio bliss and only moved to a Nait 5 more recently for the remote.
Gary, nice to see you back on here.
Posted on: 30 July 2018 by Bob the Builder
Hi Ryder
Yes I did own a 202 had it for a year or two with both 150x and a 200 before switching to the 282.
It was here that expecting fireworks after reading what people had written about the 282 for many years that I admit to being underwhelmed not that it was a bad pre it isn’t but it didn’t improve on the 202 that much.
I actually prefer the 102/180 to the 202/200 but I do have better speakers now.
Of course I’m not saying the 102/180 is a better amp than the 282/300 just that I’m enjoying it more.
Posted on: 31 July 2018 by analogmusic
Although I like the thread very much I much prefer 282 over 202 and I own both
Posted on: 31 July 2018 by Bob the Builder
Although I like the thread very much I much prefer 282 over 202 and I own both
So did I 100% but not £1,000 more which is what I paid on top of traded in 202.
Posted on: 31 July 2018 by Peder
???? BOB THE BUILDER wrote,...."Of course I’m not saying the 102/180 is a better amp than the 282/300 just that I’m enjoying it more".
AND...Surely that is the most important ????????.
I have a very interesting story to tell you about Linn Lingo1,recapp with removed net filter vs. Linn Radikal.
But do not have time now,so I have to come back with that story.
A "teaser",we performed the above mentioned test at a Linn-trader....and everyone thought the same thing ????.
I'll be back.....
/Peder ????
Posted on: 31 July 2018 by Perol
Posted on: 31 July 2018 by gary yeowell
???? BOB THE BUILDER wrote,...."Of course I’m not saying the 102/180 is a better amp than the 282/300 just that I’m enjoying it more".
AND...Surely that is the most important ????????.
I have a very interesting story to tell you about Linn Lingo1,recapp with removed net filter vs. Linn Radikal.
But do not have time now,so I have to come back with that story.
A "teaser",we performed the above mentioned test at a Linn-trader....and everyone thought the same thing ????.
I'll be back.....
/Peder ????
My guess would be as per my experience...... Jusy saying that both a Valhalla, and then original Lingo 1 with filter removed are more enjoyable to listen to than any of the psu updates after that.
Posted on: 31 July 2018 by gary yeowell
I once went from a 282/SC2/300 to a Nait 2, fronted by a CDS3. In some sonic respects, the Nait 2 was preferred. I retained the CDS3/Nait2 combo for several years of audio bliss and only moved to a Nait 5 more recently for the remote.
Gary, nice to see you back on here.
Thank you!
Posted on: 02 August 2018 by Bob the Builder
I swapped my Dual non-Naim PSU for an Olive Hicap and am really very happy with it there is a definite improvement in sound much more Naimness!!!
My vinyl sounds even better..
Posted on: 02 August 2018 by ryder.
Now we're talking. Hicap DR may also change things (for the better or worse), and I think it matches the current Black kit better especially since you have the 282.
Enjoy~
Posted on: 02 August 2018 by Monster
I run 2 systems. One is built around a Nait 2 and the other is built around a 52/250. Both are equally enjoyable in musical terms IMO...
Newer and more expensive doesn't mean "better".
Posted on: 03 August 2018 by Fred11
???? BOB THE BUILDER wrote,...."Of course I’m not saying the 102/180 is a better amp than the 282/300 just that I’m enjoying it more".
AND...Surely that is the most important ????????.
I have a very interesting story to tell you about Linn Lingo1,recapp with removed net filter vs. Linn Radikal.
But do not have time now,so I have to come back with that story.
A "teaser",we performed the above mentioned test at a Linn-trader....and everyone thought the same thing ????.
I'll be back.....
/Peder ????
Really looking forward to hear from you, Peder. I have an Armageddon, and I am really missing 45 rpm. Do you think the recapped Lingo 1 is better than the Armageddon?
regards
Fred
Posted on: 03 August 2018 by hungryhalibut
We had a Lingo 1 with the filter removed, and went to an Armageddon. The latter was hugely better. I certainly wouldn’t go back.
Posted on: 03 August 2018 by Fred11
We had a Lingo 1 with the filter removed, and went to an Armageddon. The latter was hugely better. I certainly wouldn’t go back.
Thank you, HH. Good to know: )
Regards
Fred
Posted on: 03 August 2018 by gary yeowell
To each his own as they say. I've had two Armageddon's , a couple of Lingo and several Valhalla. The Armageddon takes the music in a different direction, not bad, but certainly not 'better'. For me, a Gdd'n works with an ARO and pre Cirkus bearing, outside of that, i'm much less convinced.
Posted on: 03 August 2018 by Bob the Builder
Well I’ve just bought a used MOSE/Hercules from cymbiosis so I’ll report back
Posted on: 03 August 2018 by Fred11
To each his own as they say. I've had two Armageddon's , a couple of Lingo and several Valhalla. The Armageddon takes the music in a different direction, not bad, but certainly not 'better'. For me, a Gdd'n works with an ARO and pre Cirkus bearing, outside of that, i'm much less convinced.
I hava an Aro, so I should keep my geddon. I do have a Kore though. It sounds great.
Fred
Posted on: 03 August 2018 by gary yeowell
I always thought that pre-Cirkus/Ittok/Valhalla was a particularly nice, musically satisfying combo; perhaps the pre-Ciruks bit being the most important part (if my early experience of Cirkus is anything to go by)? Then again, over the years, maybe Linn have ameliorated its (to my ears) negative impact on the LP12's musical performance?
As ever, YMMV.
Alba, i think the same.... LP12 pre Cirkus, Ittok, Valhalla is a very satisfying combo. I could have left it there and been forever happy.
Posted on: 03 August 2018 by Michael Mccullough
Just added Kore/Geddon to my deck... boogie factor 10 times over the Herc II and bonded steel sub chassis.
Posted on: 06 August 2018 by Bob the Builder
I've gone from ittock/Cirkus bearing/Lingo 1 to FR12/Pre Cirkus/Red Button and the two are not as different as you might imagine not night and day that is for sure. I'm only adding the Mose Hercules to get 45rpm and Cymbiosis had a used Mose for the cost of a new onboard hercules.
My original idea was to sell the FR12 tonearm and to buy a Nima with the money but I'm really enjoying the FR12 at the moment once the Mose arrives I will take it to Alan at Audio T to fit and get him to gve the deck a once over.
I know the Nima is considered to be a poor man's Aro but I wanted to try a pre Cirkus/unipivot and the Aro or Javelin isn't financially possible so if I eventually decide to give up the FR12 it's a Nima.
Posted on: 08 August 2018 by Christopher_M
I know the Nima is considered to be a poor man's Aro but I wanted to try a pre Cirkus/unipivot and the Aro or Javelin isn't financially possible so if I eventually decide to give up the FR12 it's a Nima.
Subject to dem naturally but I'd be wary of throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Posted on: 08 August 2018 by Bob the Builder
I know the Nima is considered to be a poor man's Aro but I wanted to try a pre Cirkus/unipivot and the Aro or Javelin isn't financially possible so if I eventually decide to give up the FR12 it's a Nima.
Subject to dem naturally but I'd be wary of throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Wise words Christopher_M.
I fitted the Hercules Mose last night not really expecting a great deal except 45rpm functionality and this old deck with the bonded subchasis and the obsolete tonearm which was sounding good anyway is sounding very good.
I remember fitting the Lingo 1 to my old deck replacing the valhalla and it had nothing like the same improvement so I'm very pleased with it.
Wether or not it is a coming together of all of the parts of this system I do not know because I'm not missing the now sold late 90's Cirkus/ittock/Lingo 1 LP12 or the 282.
Posted on: 08 August 2018 by ryder.
I fitted the Hercules Mose last night not really expecting a great deal except 45rpm functionality and this old deck with the bonded subchasis and the obsolete tonearm which was sounding good anyway is sounding very good.
I remember fitting the Lingo 1 to my old deck replacing the valhalla and it had nothing like the same improvement so I'm very pleased with it.
Wether or not it is a coming together of all of the parts of this system I do not know because I'm not missing the now sold late 90's Cirkus/ittock/Lingo 1 LP12 or the 282.
The 282 has been sold? What about the 300? May I ask what amps are you running in your system now?
Posted on: 08 August 2018 by Bob the Builder
Hi Ryder
I’m running full Olive system 102/180/HC. Initially it was for a second system but I liked it so much I couldn’t justify the 10 times I paid for the 282/300.
Posted on: 09 August 2018 by ryder.
Hi Ryder
I’m running full Olive system 102/180/HC. Initially it was for a second system but I liked it so much I couldn’t justify the 10 times I paid for the 282/300.
Hi Bob,
Thanks for the response. That's good to hear.
Enjoy~
