New to Naim ( Australia )

Is the 62 a good match with the 140 ?

Welcome Scott.

To answer your last question first; yes, a NAC62 is a great match with the NAP140.  They also look great together, particularly the "Chrome Bumper" versions.

As mixing Olive kit with earlier "Chrome Bumper", no problem. I would be looking though at a Hicap to partner the NAC62, just so long as it doesn't mean skimping on the source...

Do you know whether they have been serviced recently?  Well worth doing, if not.

p.s. A nice little first upgrade for you would be to look out for a black SNAIC - make sure it's a genuine Naim one (see FAQ).  It will give the pre-power combo a nice little lift in performance for not much outlay.

Thanks Richard. So Hicap better than Flatcap?

Not sure if units have been serviced but from previous readings Ive seen quite often when serviced some internals are replaced with newer parts to make the sound even better ????? ( would that be right ).

So the black snaic from 62 to 140 ?

Whats the difference between the grey and black?

Yes, a service means replacement components that will have the kit back sounding as good as new - sometimes maybe even slightly better than new!

Yes, the Hicap is better supply compared to the Flatcap.  More expensive though...

Apart from the colour, the black SNAIC offers all round improved performance.  Note though that it uses the later Preh DINs rather than the earlier Deltrons.  However, it's no problem using Preh plugs on Deltron sockets - just wind back the locking collar and it fits very nicely  The only thing of note is that they won't lock, so make sure you don't accidentally unplug while powered up.

Thanks again. Will have to look for a black then. Not much for sale down here so will probably have to look over your way ( Im assuming you are in the UK ). POSTAGE is a killer though.

What about a SNAPS in the same CB series ( large knob ). Would look good with the other two boxes.

Is a SNAPS better than a flatcap or equivalent to hi cap ?

A SNAPS is a good option if you can't afford a Hicap. Not as good, but more affordable, and looks the part.

Scobbi posted:

Hello everybody. Please accept my apologies before I start as Im about to ask a few quite likely dumb questions about the Naim gear. I have been over the last few days reading posts on this site ( and others ) but still have a few questions.

Just bought a CB series 62 and 140 ( serial no.s around 39000 ) with a grey snaic and two 3.5metre Naca5's.

Real happy with the purchase. 

My main question is can the olive series be used in conjunction with the CB series - say a olive series tuner and cd player with the above mentioned CB stuff? If so is it advisable to buy separate psu's for the olive series components eg flatcap ( olive series ) ?

Also can an olive series flatcap power the CB62 ?  ( I do understand the 140 can power the 62 without need for a separate power source.)

 

Regards from Down Under

Scott

 

 

 

Imo there's no need to rush out buying additional powersupply or cables now

You can very well enjoy what you allready have, upgrades can come later

Perhaps even a recap of poweramp should be very first on list

As for serials you can determine history year of manufacture on this website, a nice feature should you go buy more used stuff, notice most hicaps up to DR are likely to be near identical inside. I would not buy an old one if its not been serviced. Ditto with poweramp, this will most likely need a recap quite urgent as it must be around thirty years old.

So firstly use whatever source you have to make it play, I hope you got some rca/Din interconnect cable or at least adapters to get going (even they are the evil) ? If not plenty of options out there.

Any Naim tuner or CD player should come with interconnect, and will work but notice not all older players are serviceable unfortunately. Fwiw I used a Rega cd player recently on my old Naim set with fine results. I had the Naim CDi back in the days, a cool and very good player, unfortunately no longer supported due to un-attainable parts

If the 62 preamp contain phono and linelevel cards ? (Na322/323 & na328) these can be removed with the benefit of better performance, a sort of free upgrade in case the cards are no longer needed. Just remove the four feet below and gently roll out the sleeve, more advise might be available here and there re this free upgrade.

Moderated Post:  Per, I have edited your post.  Surely by now you fully understand the rules? 

I have found with very old speaker cable it can pay to simply lop off 50mm or so each end and redo/resolder the banana plugs. Doesn't matter how good the soldering job was 30 years ago, you get corrosion where the copper has been soldered. Also upgrade to the latest Naim banana plugs while you're at it.

And yes I have done this to cables I soldered over thirty years ago for old installations.

The general "tuning" of an amplifier is generally along the lines of making and breaking all all mechanical connections by simply plugging and unplugging your leads a few times, maybe cleaning volume controls and switches, and siting the components correctly.

Servicing/recapping your pre and power is a definite for such old, (but still good), components.

Here in sunny Perth second hand Naim is pretty thin on the ground. Been thinking of a CB 42.5/140/Snaps  just for fun to drive my office n-Sats. So lucky you.

Perol posted:

Sorry Richard, thought it was ok to mention other cables ? I didn't post any links

But mention or discussion of unauthorised modifications, which includes fake "SNAICs" from other suppliers, is definitely not allowed under the rules...

Another question for the educated. Upon receiving my new purchase ( from a hi fi dealer ) there was no mains power cord for the NAP140 even though the sellers ad showed the power cord ( not the interconnect between 62 and 140 -  the cord from mains power to 140 ).

My question is does the system benefit from using the original naim power cord ( always seems that naim needs naim cords ) or will any generic cheap cord still supply mains power to the 140 adequately ?

I have emailed the business and the reply was around - well it never came to us with the mains cord ( I find that strange ) and whilst we did picture a mains cord its was just a generic cord we put in.

Funnily enough I did ask a question before purchase about the speaker cables, cords etc being genuine Naim and they said yes !!!

Any old mains lead will supply power and the amplifier will work. But a Naim lead is very likely to sound better as it was specifically chosen for the amplifier. They are not expensive - maybe you can ask the seller for a modest reduction to cover the cost. To picture something and then supply something else is not really on. 

OK so ive emailed the store and they have come back with this ( out of hours which is weird ) -

Scott

There were some misunderstandings.
I thought you only concerned about the interconnectors and speakers cables .
There is no such thing called original Naim mains power cord come with the Naim units , regardless they are brand new or used . Local distributor would have replaced them with Standard AU power cords instead as soon as they came to Australia. It is illegal to supply UK power cord with the units in Australia.

This rule applies to all Hi End audio electronics .

Hopefully, you understand this , you might want to call the Naim distributor in Australia to verify this .

Regards

Kevin

So from this reply I understand that it indeed may be illegal to supply UK power cord to Aus customers. That's fine. But I have some other questions for the forum members -

1. Wouldnt Naim have supplied Australian power cords when they exported the units to be sold in Australia ?  

if not does that mean all other countries ( other than countries with UK power cord configuration ) have to use inferior generic power cords that will ultimately downgrade the system? And don't some units/models have captive cables ( which would mean thay couldn't sell those units in Australia because UK cord is illegal ) ????

2.  "There is no such thing called original Naim mains power cord come with the Naim units , regardless they are brand new or used" 

Is this true? Im sure ive seen mains power cables with Naim embossed on them. Hungryhalibut seems to think there is ( as per above comments ).

3. Is there anyway I can attach an image off my pc desktop  ??? as I got an interconnect with the deal which is supposed to be Naim but it doesn't say Naim anywhere on it so I doubt it is. I would like to attach image so you guys can tell me whether genuine Naim

Have a look here to identify interconnects -

https://forums.naimaudio.com/t...cs-and-interconnects

Scobbi,

check with your distributor on what is currently supplied mains cable-wise.

Naim used to export UK spec 230V units to NZ and Australia (and maybe still do).  FWIW, I believe Chris Murphy (NZ and now also Australia Naim distributor) used to remove the UK mains plug and then fit one appropriate for use in NZ and Australia.  IIRC Warren Stolmack did something similar for Australia when he was distributor.

Hi Scott,

Which state are you in? It may be better to have these discussions with  local dealers who can provide some Australian input into these questions. In NSW for example Audio Genesis have been Naim dealers for over a quarter of a century and have a wealth of knowledge on all models. There are other dealers in Queensland and Victoria with similar backgrounds.

regards,your fellow Antipodean,

Giles

Hi Scott, 

The other thing to bear in mind is that the 62 is at least 25 years old, possibly 30. Whatever constraints that were on imports of electrical goods then are unlikely to be the same as nowadays. The QED A230 I bought in Sydney in 1984 was taken out of its box by the dealer who screwed an Australian mains plug onto its unterminated captive power cable. That was how it was shipped then, such a thing would be most unlikely in 2018.

regards,

Giles

I believe Allan at the Canberra based Audio Apartmento also has extensive Naim knowledge, having come from working with Chris Murphy for 10 years before his current venture. 

Im also interested in your conclusions -  thanks for discussing AU naim ownership!

I have ??in error?? just passed on my uk mains leads for my hicap and 250 and am now using AU standard black leads and extensions. Have i just ruined my PRaT?  - seems not to my ears - but worth asking. Like you say Steve "Here in sunny Perth second hand Naim is pretty thin on the ground." so interested if you can recommend leads from here, and who can service Naim gear - mine's all c1999.

Secondly i tried a surge protected power board and everything fell flat - is there an easy Bunning's solution to needing 6 sockets here in Oz (ordering from Germany as suggested elsewhere seems $$$ and mad!)

regards

jono

Jono, your one stop shop is to have a chat with Chris Murphy, the distributor for Australia and NZ.  He's a font of knowledge and Naim expertise.  Give him a call or drop him an email - contact details on the Naim website.

As for Second hand gear, Vince Ross used to sell a fair bit of Naim in Perth for a number of years so it must be out there.  The last time I was in Perth (over 10 years ago now) when Vince was still in business, I took a look out back in his store room and it was piled high with old Naim kit and old LP12s taken in for p/x and for service.  A really Aladdin's cave and heaven for anybody into old Naim and Linn gear from the '70s and '80s.

thanks mate