Redundant NDS's - jump now or wait to be pushed?

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

engjoo posted:

Sorry to be a cold blanket but in 2-3 years, the legacy streamers like NDS, NDX and yes even the "recent" 272 can possibly be almost dead meat. There is even no guarantee that Spotifty, Tidal will continue to work. I have an NDX at the moment and for this reason, I would not even get an NDS at any price. (sorry to existing NDS owners).

Sorry to heat your blanket up, but the key part of the legacy streamers and date I suggest the new streamers  is home streaming.. after all for many that is where the best SQ lies. Home streaming uses UPnP/DLNA and also a closed Naim version of it if you which. UPnP has been around for many years and I can’t see inexplicably ceasing to work in a few years time.. and after all that is what the new streamers use too.

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UPnP/DLNA will not cease to work but new protocols might become available and users might want to try them. Roon is a prominent example and I understand that owners of streaming devices that could not be upgraded to act as Roon endpoints might have felt disappointed. The whole point of software is about flexibility and software solutions that are not able to evolve and adapt to new requirements will eventually disappear. 

One can always "update" a legacy streamer with an additional small box, like Allo DigiOne, Ultra/MicroRendu or SOTM -- or whatever the "future" will offer... It might not be the most elegant solution, but it allows taking advantage of new software developments. Certainly, this would prevent legacy streamer becoming "dead meat" for quite some time. As others said before, something new doesn't make the "old" sound broken... So, if one, for instance, likes the sound of a 272 and can get a good deal, why not -- it will provide many, many years of happy listening.  

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

engjoo posted:

Sorry to be a cold blanket but in 2-3 years, the legacy streamers like NDS, NDX and yes even the "recent" 272 can possibly be almost dead meat. There is even no guarantee that Spotifty, Tidal will continue to work. I have an NDX at the moment and for this reason, I would not even get an NDS at any price. (sorry to existing NDS owners).

Sorry to heat your blanket up, but the key part of the legacy streamers and date I suggest the new streamers  is home streaming.. after all for many that is where the best SQ lies. Home streaming uses UPnP/DLNA and also a closed Naim version of it if you which. UPnP has been around for many years and I can’t see inexplicably ceasing to work in a few years time.. and after all that is what the new streamers use too.

if say in 10 years the home audio consumer industry mysteriously turned its back on DLNA, then there is the closed Naim streaming solution... assuming all the current non Naim implementations mysteriously stopped working. 

The external web streaming interface integrations are for convenience, and indeed may come and go over 20 years or so... however those who are serious about services tend to use aggregator proxies (like Bubble UPnP Server) to use these services ... and that makes them suitable for Naim and many other platforms really easily whilst providing the best SQ.

How you see the relevance of NDS/NDX today and tomorrow depends on your use for them. If it is strictly for UPNP and that is mainly what you use them for, then it should be fine.

I am not.

For me, I use Tidal, Spotify and spotify 90% of the time and would love to have Chromecast, Airplay and Roon so the legacy streamers does not make sense to me as a purchase now (new or used).

Clive B posted:

True Blue posted:

Having an ndx with 555ps. My obvious demo will be nds vs ndx2 both powered with 555. My dealer has a demo ndx2........ Just need to set up the demo.......... Can't wait

But does your dealer have an NDS available for the comparison? And if you preferred the NDS, would you feel compelled to buy that example from your dealer or would you explore other opportunities, potentially at more favourable prices. A buyer’s market for sure. 

If your dealer can't lay hands on an NDS to demo against a new streamer, I'd worry about his preparedness to sell & support the new kit.  In fact I'd travel quite a ways to find a dealer who's taking the whole thing seriously enough to have the equipment needed to demonstrate the capability of this new streaming technology. 

Don't ask me how far "quite a ways" is, I'm lucky enough to live close enough to Chester to be able to pop in anytime for a cuppa & chat.  Just how these guys accross the pond survive, living hundreds of miles away from their nearest dealer, I can't imagine.  That's one of the main reasons I haven't emigrated to the US,  although this Brexit disaster might change my thinking 

From previous post...

"Don't ask me how far "quite a ways" is, I'm lucky enough to live close enough to Chester to be able to pop in anytime for a cuppa & chat.  Just how these guys accross the pond survive, living hundreds of miles away from their nearest dealer, I can't imagine.  That's one of the main reasons I haven't emigrated to the US,  although this Brexit disaster might change my thinking  "

Afterthought....  Oh crap, I just remembered who's trying to run that country.  I'll stay put for now, Brexit deal or no deal.

Pulled the trigger 5min ago, on order NDX2+555PSU.....almost back in the house of Naim:-)

It's always the same, innit, no sooner do I commit to an ND555, due to arrive next week, than, today, my "broken" NDS has never sounded betterer. 

Or am I subconsciously indulging in expectation management? 

rjstaines posted:

Jason posted:

 

Don't worry, your evident passion for music and fine audio reproduction will undoubtedly drive you on to have many years enjoyment of your new ND555, and I have no doubt you will thoroughly enjoy it.  You have a truly remarkable system there!

All the best,

Jason.

Thank you Jason.  Such words from the pen (keyboard) of a man of great foresight are much appreciated.

Nothing lasts forever
Of that I'm sure
Now you've made an offer
I'll take some more
Young loving may be
Oh so mean.......

More of of the same old scene. Every thread that I cautioned on a purchase of NDS/NDX over the 12 months before the ND5555 announcement had the “don’t wait, they will always sound as good as they do now” brigade cheering on each and every purchase. The same brigade are now all upgrading as far as I can see. 

Now they are here saying the NDS won’t suffer obsolescence and of course there is truth in this in the same way as my 2003 Lexus car still runs wonderfully but I may not necessarily be recommending it above a 2018 model. 

So here’s my prediction, £3,500 is the ceiling for second hand NDS prices. The price will only go one way. Great product but it’s had its day, just like my beloved Lexus. 

.sjb

Sloop John B posted:

Nothing lasts forever
Of that I'm sure
Now you've made an offer
I'll take some more
Young loving may be
Oh so mean.......

 

More of of the same old scene. Every thread that I cautioned on a purchase of NDS/NDX over the 12 months before the ND5555 announcement had the “don’t wait, they will always sound as good as they do now” brigade cheering on each and every purchase. The same brigade are now all upgrading as far as I can see. 

Now they are here saying the NDS won’t suffer obsolescence and of course there is truth in this in the same way as my 2003 Lexus car still runs wonderfully but I may not necessarily be recommending it above a 2018 model. 

So here’s my prediction, £3,500 is the ceiling for second hand NDS prices. The price will only go one way. Great product but it’s had its day, just like my beloved Lexus. 

.sjb

Totally agree with your price ........ as the NDX2 is at NDS level of performance. In-fact I think the NDS will stabalise at around the 3k mark. I managed to get a very good trade in value for my NDS - and I thought if I waited say another 12 months - the ND555 would probably increase in price.....while the NDS slid ... so I would end up having to take a double wammy...if I waited. My ND555 is due end of September ;-)..........

Alba1320 posted:

dave marshall posted:

It's always the same, innit, no sooner do I commit to an ND555, due to arrive next week, than, today, my "broken" NDS has never sounded betterer. 

Or am I subconsciously indulging in expectation management? 

Or a form of 'Buyer's Remorse', perhaps?

On the plus side, it's happened before you get the new item, so will (probably) quickly be dispelled upon ND555's arrival...  Then it'll be 'NDS? you mean that old, broken thing'? Long since forgotten about.

For now, I've updated the Naim app, in readiness for next week, but it doesn't make my "broken" NDS sound any different.