Linn Selekt DSM

Yesterday on the Xfi audio fair I've had a demo of 3 Selekt models, and of course with katalyst DAC they sounded best.

Not impressed with the build in amplifier ( 2 x 50w 8 Ohms), but with an external amp they sounded really good.

For the moment I keep my Nova...

???? MR.ORANGE,....Which external amp was used.?

/Peder???? 

Linn shutdown their forum to prevent discussion on the new products during the launch period.  Whereas the Naim forum was open throughout all the recent product launches & it has to be said not all went smoothly.  Brownie points to Naim for allowing unfettered discussion on what is a competitive product.     Thanks Naim,  LInn BIG bad.  

The Class D amplifier that Linn are using won't even be their own design. Like everyone else, they will have bought an off-the-shelf module from a designer like ICE (an off-shoot of B&O, I think).

Mike-B posted:

Linn shutdown their forum to prevent discussion on the new products during the launch period.  Whereas the Naim forum was open throughout all the recent product launches & it has to be said not all went smoothly.  Brownie points to Naim for allowing unfettered discussion on what is a competitive product.     Thanks Naim,  LInn BIG bad.  

???? Mike-B,.....I agree with you,a great tribute to Naim for this.
This is how an open and responsible company acts.

I don't want to sound too critical,but confidence in Linn has fallen drastically,..by how they have acted and taken responsibility (not) on the issue of this rewritten "LP12-Radikal Problem".

Credit to Naim.

/Peder ????

@peder

Of course an Linn amp, I believe the Akurate 2200

Peder posted:

Mike-B posted:

Linn shutdown their forum to prevent discussion on the new products during the launch period.  Whereas the Naim forum was open throughout all the recent product launches & it has to be said not all went smoothly.  Brownie points to Naim for allowing unfettered discussion on what is a competitive product.     Thanks Naim,  LInn BIG bad.  

???? Mike-B,.....I agree with you,a great tribute to Naim for this.
This is how an open and responsible company acts.

I don't want to sound too critical,but confidence in Linn has fallen drastically,..by how they have acted and taken responsibility (not) on the issue of this rewritten "LP12-Radikal Problem".

Credit to Naim.

/Peder ????

I believe Linn closed their forum to prevent leaks before the official announcement, rather than to stifle any post-release criticism that may occur. Naim, of course, had to take it on the chin on both counts!

Naim were the architect of their own aggravation as regards the new Uniti because they put a teaser video on their website a week or two before the announcement and then on the day some of those they had supplied with advanced info broke the embargo. Discussion in the forum did no more than reflect all of that. The 12 months between launch and shipping was, I am sure, a big learning experience all round.

best

David

Mr.Orange posted:

Yesterday on the Xfi audio fair I've had a demo of 3 Selekt models, and of course with katalyst DAC they sounded best.

Not impressed with the build in amplifier ( 2 x 50w 8 Ohms), but with an external amp they sounded really good.

For the moment I keep my Nova...

 

 

 

Thanks for the insight and more importantly baseline to Nova ????

Hmmm. Perhaps Linn are 'behind' as they are ensuring they have app(s) which match the quailty of their new kit......

Surprised Linn are 'closed' always found them to be open and pretty 'open source' for s/ware. I can only think they are trying to avoid the 'Naim' experience but I think they are wrong in this does not look good.

Yours,

Paul

I am very disappointed with Linn and I think they will now lose out when and if they come back on line. I think there will be more flack about the closure of their forum than comments good or bad about their new products. 

A free and open forum is the back bone of a company high on confidence- of course there were days when It gave me a troubled brow but it kept Naim in check world wide with the people who matter, one of the best decisions I ever made at Naim.

Paul Stephenson posted:

A free and open forum is the back bone of a company high on confidence- of course there were days when It gave me a troubled brow but it kept Naim in check world wide with the people who matter, one of the best decisions I ever made at Naim.

I’m sure at times it felt like the proverbial double edged sword but for both users and company it is mostly beneficial and symbiotic. 

And not that most companies might consider it but I’m sure that no more than here there were many for whom 30-60 mins/ day on the forum was part of their life and no-one likes that level of disruption. 

I’d miss the Naim forum if it disappeared TBH ( even though I often have a good moan about it!)

.sjb

Sloop John B posted:

Paul Stephenson posted:

A free and open forum is the back bone of a company high on confidence- of course there were days when It gave me a troubled brow but it kept Naim in check world wide with the people who matter, one of the best decisions I ever made at Naim.

I’m sure at times it felt like the proverbial double edged sword but for both users and company it is mostly beneficial and symbiotic. 

And not that most companies might consider it but I’m sure that no more than here there were many for whom 30-60 mins/ day on the forum was part of their life and no-one likes that level of disruption. 

I’d miss the Naim forum if it disappeared TBH ( even though I often have a good moan about it!)

.sjb

It must be the Stockholm syndrome. Certain people protect the one hurting them.

Shocking as i know people (and even myself early on) who where interested in the new DSM, but the approach to switch off the whole forum has really put me and others off and leads to much speculation and in the end a loss of any confidence.

Even Linn owners are using alternative forums to vent frustration, at the forum being down and also product hierarchy i think (not sure in what context).

Obsydian posted:

Shocking as i know people (and even myself early on) who where interested in the new DSM, but the approach to switch off the whole forum has really put me and others off and leads to much speculation and in the end a loss of any confidence.

Even Linn owners are using alternative forums to vent frustration, at the forum being down and also product hierarchy i think (not sure in what context).

???? Obsydian,....I have also completely lost confidence in Linn because they have closed their forum....

Do they have something to hide,..Yes you start to wonder.
Proximity to their customers,and especially their premium customers should be an important relationship..But not.!

We already know that Linn is no longer an "Attention To Detail" company,they have put the course to "Good Enough" Instead.

◾ Their Linn Klimax DSM plays worse than their Klimax DS,..this is well known among those who tested.
Yet they stop producing Klimax DS.
Never think that Naim would choose such a path.!

◾ Not to mention how they handled their "LP12-Radikal Problem"....yes we shouldn't even talk about it,scary Bad.

And in their presentation of their new Linn Selekt,they use Naim Uniti Nova to compare against,in front of Journalists.
Instead of letting the product speak for Itself.

We probably do not need to be too intelligent to understand,that Naim Nova is not optimally installed..I have mentioned this earlier.

Linn should probably look over their marketing strategy.

/Peder ????

As with Naim, I wonder what percentage of Linn customers actually use / are aware of the forum ?

Not sure, as suggested, Linb will lose out if they reactivate their forum. Most manufacturers just don't have one and they do fine. I think the bigger point is that Naim will benefit from having one while Linn won't. Subtle distinction but important.

Last time I hearn Linn against a SU in 2013, they still sounded superb. Albeit a different presentation. I'm sure they still do.

The main thing that turned me away from Linn (aside from my wife who very strongly preferred the Naim sound) was that they were clearly getting out of the separates business. A trend that has accelerated. I think simple but very high end low box count systems are perfectly fine. Not everyone wants to put up with a stack of hifi on a rack. But for those who still believe separates offer the least compromised sound for the money and most flexibility in system building, it was clear Linn and I no longer had a future together. 

If I were a Linn forum member, I would certainly investigate setting up an independent forum beyond the control of Linn. The tech needed to do this is not prohibitive and knowledge of its existence would not take long to spread amongst the Linn community.

I've just seen a new message on www Linn Forum .....  we have taken the opportunity to review the purpose, moderation and usage of the platform and have reached the conclusion that it is no longer viable for us to manage it in its current format.    .....  it goes on a bit  about how to contact & new to Linn a beta testing program  ....  then & ends with .... We understand that there is a community within the Linn Forum who will want to continue their conversations on topics such as their system set up, the HiFi industry and many other things and so we are delighted to be able to announce that Hifi Wigwam will be partnering with us to allow this conversation to continue. The team at the 'Wam have already set up a Linn space and look forward to welcoming you to their community.    ........

Oh dear,  tears at bedtime I fear

Just read the same notice on the Linn forum page.

Stupid decision by Linn to shut down the forum! Yes, people can meet at Hifi Wigwam but what will happen with the content of the old forum? It was an important source of information about all kinds of Linn stuff.

Just when you couldn't make a bigger mess, they do.

Up until this point, I “couldn’t be arsed”, but this is a frankly ludicrous decision by Linn.

It’s not as if they expended a great deal of energy in providing regular comment/advice, but there was a lot of goodwill associated with the forum and this kills that stone dead - this is anti-marketing at its worst. 

I’d respectfully suggest that HFK is probably a better destination for Linn chat, at least that of an LP12 view.

I know that Naim finds that its dealers don't like the Naim forum much and always advise customers to talk to dealers or to contact Naim support, any weekend you can find lots of help given happily and willingly to Naim's customers, in many cases new customers who are despairing. And the massive amount of knowledge accessible by using either the forum search facility or even just Google, is fantastic.

I do hope that Naim's new senior management realises what gold they have here and decide to embrace it.

best

David

David Hendon posted:

I know that Naim finds that its dealers don't like the Naim forum much and always advise customers to talk to dealers or to contact Naim support, any weekend you can find lots of help given happily and willingly to Naim's customers, in many cases new customers who are despairing. And the massive amount of knowledge accessible by using either the forum search facility or even just Google, is fantastic.

I do hope that Naim's new senior management realises what gold they have here and decide to embrace it.

best

David

Absolutely David.   As for Naim dealers not liking the forum,  they need to get a life,  or be on the end of the phone 24/7,  & the have the product knowledge & the peripheral equipment expertise of the forum  .... no chance with any of that (with a few notable exceptions)   And as for contacting Naim support,  that appears to be work in progress as far as I can see.

I can imagine that Linn will loose out in so many ways,  not least because of the loss of contact with their customer base & with the steadying hand of a moderator (yes 3 cheers for Richard)     Unattached forums like Wigwam & Pink Fish get a bit rowdy, go off down goat trails & abound with mythical fairy dust 'facts',    they both seem to have keyboard warriors 'on a mission' & a few self proclaimed professors who know it all better than the manufacturer.    However I do hope Linn have plans to provide support in other ways,  their LinnDocs is a very nice info library.   Watch this space I guess.