Speaker with excellent PRaT, with hard hitting and deep bass, strong dynamics and SLAM

Any of ProAc’s Response range if on a budget, K range if money no object!

+1 ProAc K6

aloysiuschan posted:

Dynaudio. I missed my Audience 52. Now with Neat IOTA and missing the 52 bass low end. 

 

I have a pair of Audience 52SE I'm using in an office system. They are connected to an old Arcam AVR300 (the digital board failed long ago) and a Logitech Squeezebox Touch streaming high res digital from a NAS. They still sound terrific..

Jonners posted:

JanÅ posted:

Gents!

Looking for a speaker with excellent PRaT, with hard hitting and deep bass, strong dynamics and SLAM.

Please recommend a few in different price ranges, preferably pre-loved ...

THANKS!

Take your pick from the Dynaudio range which compliment NAIM very nicely and will give you what you want (particularly bass), through a wide price range as long as you like to play your music LOUD!????????

Take your pick from Dyns...just make sure you have the power to push them! Trust weak amps need not apply...You need at the very LEAST supernait 2 power for most Dynaudios to truly rock. 

JanÅ posted:

Gents!

Looking for a speaker with excellent PRaT, with hard hitting and deep bass, strong dynamics and SLAM.

Please recommend a few in different price ranges, preferably pre-loved ...

THANKS!

How big is your listening room?

16m2 but the room sucks the bass out of it.

Perhaps I have missed it but what electronics and speakers are you using today?

I used to own a pair of Linn Saras  on the end of an LP12/Ittok/Karma, 32.5/hicap/chrome bumper 250 and was never satisfied with them, especially their bass.  It took a pair of NAP135s to really grab Saras by the proverbials and make them dance.  The CB250 just wasn't up to it for me which is why I sold mine and bought the EPOS ES14 instead (which I adored).  If you want decent bass from Linn Saras, it took 135s to do it.  Then they were awesome!!!

Hence my question about your current system.

Best regards, FT

JanÅ posted:

16m2 but the room sucks the bass out of it.

And shape? (It is generally most useful to state length, width and height).

If the lack is simply the speakers not having adequate (and good)  bass output, and I suspect that the Saras are not the best in that regard, then changing them could make a huge difference.

However, you refer to bass being ‘sucked out’: Assuming it is that rather than the speaker is being incapable of reproducing adequately, this effect is commonly due to cancellations (nulls) at the listening position, and a square room is worse than a rectangular room. And if it is due to nulls, another speaker sited at the same position, with the same listening position, will suffer the same effect: the answer to it is repositioning speakers and/or listening position, and possibly room treatment. 

Focal

Robiwan posted:

Focal

Someone once said that everything from Focal was good. I forget who.

Robiwan posted:

Focal

You must be surly kidding.

Naim S-400 Ovators will fit the bill.

Nick

Audiovector - easy to drive with a first order filter. Very dynamic speakers and they can be run as an active system with Naim amplification. The best part of it is that you can keep the same speaker and upgrade them all the way up to the top version by sending them to the factory in Denmark.

Audiovector used to import Naim in Denmark and also used Naim amplification to develop their speakers. That should mean something.

Bart posted:

Robiwan posted:

Focal

Someone once said that everything from Focal was good. I forget who.

Beethoven?

hungryhalibut posted:

Bart posted:

Robiwan posted:

Focal

Someone once said that everything from Focal was good. I forget who.

Beethoven?

Mozart?

wenger2015 posted:

hungryhalibut posted:

Bart posted:

Robiwan posted:

Focal

Someone once said that everything from Focal was good. I forget who.

Beethoven?

Mozart?

grox posted:

+1 ProAc K6

And another endorsement of ProAc K6 (K3 might be worth a demo).

Dan.S posted:

Robiwan posted:

Focal

You must be surly kidding.

Focal is great quality much better than Naim speakers or most other brands. 

Bart posted:

wenger2015 posted:

hungryhalibut posted:

Bart posted:

Robiwan posted:

Focal

Someone once said that everything from Focal was good. I forget who.

Beethoven?

Mozart?

Halibut is right. But it was when he was old and deaf.

Robiwan posted:

Dan.S posted:

Robiwan posted:

Focal

You must be surly kidding.

Focal is great quality much better than Naim speakers or most other brands. 

Build quality is one thing.

It is my understanding some purchase speakers for sound quality over other characteristics. 

Fwiw naim speakers are built very well!

dalmatian posted:

Naim S-400 Ovators will fit the bill.

Nick

My Audiovector floorstanders with Nait XS have far more 'kick' than my Ovators with 202/200/naspc/FCxs

A while ago a pair of Audience 52(?) with a a Nait 5 had similar

The common thing with the Audiovector and Dynaudio was that they were both rear ported rather than sealed like the Ovators - maybe this has an effect?

Bart posted:

Robiwan posted:

Focal

Someone once said that everything from Focal was good. I forget who.

I can only imagine it was their Sales Director.

sjw posted:

My Audiovector floorstanders with Nait XS have far more 'kick' than my Ovators with 202/200/naspc/FCxs

A while ago a pair of Audience 52(?) with a a Nait 5 had similar

The common thing with the Audiovector and Dynaudio was that they were both rear ported rather than sealed like the Ovators - maybe this has an effect?

 

Audiovector speakers are really great. It's a pity too few in the UK have heard them.

 That's an unbiased view ! I run PMC's !

sjw posted:

My Audiovector floorstanders with Nait XS have far more 'kick' than my Ovators with 202/200/naspc/FCxs

A while ago a pair of Audience 52(?) with a a Nait 5 had similar

The common thing with the Audiovector and Dynaudio was that they were both rear ported rather than sealed like the Ovators - maybe this has an effect?

 

Most definitely IMHO. I have a pair of Dynaudio Contour 1.3's and they kick out an awful lot of bass, I gather it's a Dynaudio characteristic or maybe a trait Danish speakers tend to have? It's so strong in fact I have toilet tissue shoved into the rear ports held in by gaffer tape because the foam bungs supplied when I bought them were too much and were strangling the sound.