Streaming from Core to Apple TV

The Core supports AirPlay2.  Does your Apple TV see the Core? 

Alternatively, If you were to run Roon (requires a separate computer to run "Roon Core" on (not to be confused with Naim Core)), Roon would see the Apple TV as an endpoint and let you use it as a player.  My Roon system sees my Apple TV but I've never actually tried it; I don't really want to listen to music thru my TV.  

What is on the other end of the ATV that you want to stream to? Presumably not just a TV? 

Bart posted:

The Core supports AirPlay2.  Does your Apple TV see the Core? 

Alternatively, If you were to run Roon (requires a separate computer to run "Roon Core" on (not to be confused with Naim Core)), Roon would see the Apple TV as an endpoint and let you use it as a player.  My Roon system sees my Apple TV but I've never actually tried it; I don't really want to listen to music thru my TV.  

Thanks Bart, I’ll need to check that. I can play via AirPlay 2 to my Nova, but haven’t seen my 4K Apple TVs showing the Core, I’ll dig  into that. I have a Mac, so I have a sort off work around with files on iTunes, but I’m wanting to use the Core as the source of truth.

ChrisSU posted:

What is on the other end of the ATV that you want to stream to? Presumably not just a TV? 

The plan is for no TV. I have a spare 3rd generation Apple TV that I want to connect to my old A60 amp using the optical out via a spare adapter I have and stream from the Core. This is for a games room. Then ideally, run multi room to the media room next door, that has a UC2.

The Core will output to either SPDIF or UPnP, neither of which the ATV can use as far as I’m aware. If you have a Mac, you might be better off runjing iTunes on it and allowing it to access the Core as an iTunes music library. Then you can play from that to the ATV with Airplay. If you want to multiroom to the UQ2 you would need to add an Airport Express or ATV to that with an optical cable, and use iTunes multiroom. Control by the Apple Remote app if you don’t want to use the computer. 

Alternatively, maybe use the Core digital out instead of the ATV digital out, but you will not be able to use multiroom like that. 

Edit - I think the Core might lack the Toslink output of its predecessor, so coaxial SPDIF is your only option there. 

Thanks, I’ll try the iTunes music library option, I had’t thought of that. The UC2 already has the Apple TV 4K set up, though  the spare Apple TV I want to use is not 4K so I don’t think that would multi-room? Plan B would be to run an iPad into the A60 and multi-room with the UC2/Apple TV?

It will give me something to tinker with over the weekend, I don’t like not using old gear.

Just buy a raspberry pi, they are like 40 quid. 3rd gen ATVs are of limited use now.

Mike Sullivan posted:

Thanks, I’ll try the iTunes music library option, I had’t thought of that. The UC2 already has the Apple TV 4K set up, though  the spare Apple TV I want to use is not 4K so I don’t think that would multi-room? Plan B would be to run an iPad into the A60 and multi-room with the UC2/Apple TV?

It will give me something to tinker with over the weekend, I don’t like not using old gear.

What is the ‘spare adapter’ you have? It must contain a DAC of some sort. I don’t think you will be able to multiroom with an iPad, though.

I don’t think the ATVs would be a problem with multiroom from a Mac. 

I have a Digi-Tech optical to RCA DAC and a RCA to 5-pin DIN that will go into the A60, with the older Apple, TV connected using the optical output. Unhelpfully the 4K Apple TV doesn't have the optical output, some that runs via HDMI to a TV and then optical to the UC2 or Nova. I used this setup when I had the A60 in the new media room. It's now spare, as I upgraded my main system to a Nova and moved the UC2 to the new media room setup. I also have my old speakers, so I'm keen to reestablish the old (circa over 30 year) first system to a set up in the garage that I have converted to a games room, but use multi-room from the adjacent media room (a converted basement that doubles as a home office). Then in the games room, I can be a teenager again! 

Mike Sullivan posted:

ChrisSU posted:

What is on the other end of the ATV that you want to stream to? Presumably not just a TV? 

The plan is for no TV. I have a spare 3rd generation Apple TV that I want to connect to my old A60 amp using the optical out via a spare adapter I have and stream from the Core. This is for a games room. Then ideally, run multi room to the media room next door, that has a UC2.

If you are not planning to use a TV, I’d drop the AppleTV.... if you are wanting to use UPnP there are severeal cheap and good options.. there is the RPi route if you want tinker... alternatively there is Sonos Connect (usually plenty used on ebay) ... that can act as a cheap UPnP renderer and has SPDIF out and supports Wifi .. just might need to check it can recognize Naim’s UPnP server implementation used on the core. I have used Connect this way with non Naim UPnP media servers.

Yes, starting to get a bit tangled and confused. I think I've established that although the UC2 will mutli-room with the Nova, the UC2 doesn't have airplay.  Though, I think I might be able to use the Apple TV option to multi-room between the A60 and UC2 using either iTunes or the Tidal App - need to check if the 3rd generation Apple TV will do that.

Haven't been able to connect the Core as an iTune library, so flagging that option. iTunes is a mess, I remember now why I went for the Core.

If you want to use AirPlay you will need to do it from a Mac, not iOS, then it will multiroom to any Airplay client. 

If you are prepared to ditch the ATVs, as Simon says, there are perhaps better options using UPnP. Not sure about the Core, but I have never had a problem using a Unitiserve with non-Naim streamers, including Sony, Yamaha, and ecen a Samsung TV. 

ChrisSU posted:

If you want to use AirPlay you will need to do it from a Mac, not iOS, then it will multiroom to any Airplay client. 

If you are prepared to ditch the ATVs, as Simon says, there are perhaps better options using UPnP. Not sure about the Core, but I have never had a problem using a Unitiserve with non-Naim streamers, including Sony, Yamaha, and ecen a Samsung TV. 

Thanks for clarifying that. I’ll set it up tomorrow with the spare Apple TV amd try multi room from the Mac and the remote iOS app. I’m picking that the UC2 is not an AirPlay client, it’s not showing as one from the Mac.

No the UC2 does not support AirPlay.  I plug a small raspberry pi based box into mine (Allo DigiOne) which supports AirPlay and Roon and ChromeCast . . . 

Mike Sullivan posted:

ChrisSU posted:

If you want to use AirPlay you will need to do it from a Mac, not iOS, then it will multiroom to any Airplay client. 

If you are prepared to ditch the ATVs, as Simon says, there are perhaps better options using UPnP. Not sure about the Core, but I have never had a problem using a Unitiserve with non-Naim streamers, including Sony, Yamaha, and ecen a Samsung TV. 

Thanks for clarifying that. I’ll set it up tomorrow with the spare Apple TV amd try multi room from the Mac and the remote iOS app. I’m picking that the UC2 is not an AirPlay client, it’s not showing as one from the Mac.

Yes, the old streamers do not support AirPlay, which is where your ATV would come in handy if you don’t want to buy any other bits and pieces as a workaround. 

Well, success in that the games room A60 system is now running via Apple TV and iTunes and I can multi-room with the adjacent media room. Slightly out of sync though, the former is on Wi-Fi, the later on Ethernet. May have to do for now.

Shame you can’t get them playing in sync. I guess the issue is using different devices introducing different latency which is outside your control. There’s possibly a workaround for that, but I can’t put my finger on it!

I tried a workaround and blue the right output channel in the A60, so that's that......

That’s annoying! Probably repairable, though?

I’m going to check that out tomorrow. I was researching the value of the old A60’s and they are still pretty highly rated. It was new in New Zealand when I brought it, moved it to England, brought it back again, so it’s been around the world twice, so worth keeping for nostalgia.

Blown channels are a relatively easy and inexpensive we have a local TV repair man who is very good.