Where to place rack

Here in Asgaard we favour two stacks on the left, on a concrete base partially shielded by a 5' tall shelving unit full of vinyl. Speakers are toed slightly so deck in no way in direct line of sound. Having the units between the speakers can give a sense of visual symmetry, but have you ever stood between your speakers whilst playing a track or two? It can be an overwhelmingly bassy place to be, unlike the side of the room!

Just checked your profile and our chambers are of similar sizes, and similar lengths of NACA5, although my speakers are either side of a viewing portal to the vale.

Thanks Loki. I know as a general view, that between speakers should be avoided, but was tempted to think otherwise due to effective use of sq.m. 

So I should think bass level, especially considering the recordplayer then. Isee frompictures that some prefer placing rack to the side of a corner, but again, I assume this wlll depend on basslevel there as well?

S

Stover posted:

 I know as a general view, that between speakers should be avoided, but was tempted to think otherwise due to effective use of sq.m. 

 

I've recently demoed a couple of black boxes at two different dealers in the UK. One had a Fraim, the other a Simrak, in between their speakers.

Stover posted:

that between speakers should be avoided, ????but was tempted to think otherwise due to effective use of sq.m.

S

???? STOVER,....????Don't think so.!!

Dealers often have their hifi-racks between the speakers,..this is out of sales-point,it looks "nice out".
At Hifi-Shows this is also very common.

◾ But just as some have written here,..Avoid positioning your hifi-rack between the speakers,..AND,.in corners.

◾ Also avoid positioning your hifi-rack after the side-wall,..where you have the first wall-reflex.

All this is important,if you are to be able to get an optimal installation of your music-system.

Never mind,.."But many in the System Pics-thread have their hifi-racks between the speakers.”
Unfortunately,these music-systems can never perform optimally.!

◾ Borrow a longer Naca5-cable from your dealer,..place your hifi-rack on Naim Fraim Chips.
Then you can easily shoot your hifi-rack back and forth after the side-wall,until you find the position that sounds best.
Sometimes there can be a big difference in just a few centimeters of movement.

Then you order the right length of the speaker cables from your dealer.

◾ Important,..Also keep in mind that your Spike's on your hifi-rack should be in the middle of the floor board..NOT on the joint between two boards.
Your Spike's should also stand on the same floor board in longitudinally,check that the floor board is not spliced in the longitudinally.

If you have the Naim Fraim hifi-rack,this is important for your front Spike's.

This can make a big difference if you have for example a LP12 on your rack.

Good luck.....
/Peder????

I would guess whatever side away from speakers, that you should avoid having the racked system tucked tight into a corner of the room.  Strong standing bass wave nodes could rattle those balls out from their grommets.

Thanks Meerkat and Peder.

I know opinions are divided here and I guess there is a lot of things that can affect the result. Earlier, when I used close to the wall speakers as Naim and Kudos, I had an increased "ringing" from the Fraim, when placed in centre of speakers. Current position is as Peder points out, quite close to first reflection on side wall and I can notice a small "ringing" when music stops playing. I will try to move it out of that position, I have even read on this forum, placed by the back wall may be optimal.

S

[@mention:1566878603944780] - QQ - What made you go from Kudos Super 20s to Harbeth SHL5+s? (I have both, but in different rooms, different electronics) - but wanted to hear your thoughts. Maybe start a different thread?

Peder posted:

Stover posted:

that between speakers should be avoided, ????but was tempted to think otherwise due to effective use of sq.m.

S

???? STOVER,....????Don't think so.!!

Dealers often have their hifi-racks between the speakers,..this is out of sales-point,it looks "nice out".
At Hifi-Shows this is also very common.

◾ But just as some have written here,..Avoid positioning your hifi-rack between the speakers,..AND,.in corners.

◾ Also avoid positioning your hifi-rack after the side-wall,..where you have the first wall-reflex.

All this is important,if you are to be able to get an optimal installation of your music-system.

Never mind,.."But many in the System Pics-thread have their hifi-racks between the speakers.”
Unfortunately,these music-systems can never perform optimally.!

◾ Borrow a longer Naca5-cable from your dealer,..place your hifi-rack on Naim Fraim Chips.
Then you can easily shoot your hifi-rack back and forth after the side-wall,until you find the position that sounds best.
Sometimes there can be a big difference in just a few centimeters of movement.

Then you order the right length of the speaker cables from your dealer.

◾ Important,..Also keep in mind that your Spike's on your hifi-rack should be in the middle of the floor board..NOT on the joint between two boards.
Your Spike's should also stand on the same floor board in longitudinally,check that the floor board is not spliced in the longitudinally.

If you have the Naim Fraim hifi-rack,this is important for your front Spike's.

This can make a big difference if you have for example a LP12 on your rack.

Good luck.....
/Peder????

 

 

All abit OTT....

wenger2015 posted  

All abit OTT....

???? Wenger2015,....Keep in mind that this is a international forum,we are not all from UK ????.

At least for me who are from Sweden,this abbreviation are difficult to understand.
Can you be so kind to explain what it means,as you wrote above.

/Peder ????

Peder posted:

wenger2015 posted  

All abit OTT....

???? Wenger2015,....Keep in mind that this is a international forum,we are not all from UK ????.

At least for me who are from Sweden,this abbreviation are difficult to understand.
Can you be so kind to explain what it means,as you wrote above.

/Peder ????

English not my mother tongue but could it be:  excessive or exaggerated?

OTT = Over The Top

MangoMonkey posted:

[@mention:1566878603944780] - QQ - What made you go from Kudos Super 20s to Harbeth SHL5+s? (I have both, but in different rooms, different electronics) - but wanted to hear your thoughts. Maybe start a different thread?

Hi MM- Sorry about my late respons, I’ve been on a business trip. 

Will try to make it short. In my dedicated listening room I can play from both the short and long wall. While I had the S20a, it was placed by the long wall, same as with 88 Titans, Ovators etc. This was due to the «obvious», «placement at the long wall should work best». I was curious on Harbeth and purchased a s/h 7es3.  I was taken by mostly listening to the Harbeths so I decided to go 5+ and my personality says; sell S20 and so I did. After some trying and failing, I moved 5+ to the short wall and by pulling them far out from front wall they worked really well. A quite different presentation of music compared to the long wall.  I started to think all of my former speakers would have worked well there also.  

I’m now in a process getting help with the room acoustic. Not that it’s bad, but to optimize. I have moved 5+ back on the long wall. It’s more demanding, but I get much better clarity there, but at the same time it may come more musical magic from the short wall, I don’t know for sure yet. Those placements require different room dampening. 

So, trying to answere your question. Harbeth sounded more natural and present in my room compared to Kudos. It may be a different case now, after learning the room even better (but I don’t think so). Also, when placed right, 5+ have speed, dynamics and are far from pipe& slippers, S20 was more of a hifi thing, again at that moment  

I learn things constantly and nothing is written in stone yet. 

S