New QNAP NAS

Posted by: DaveBk on 03 September 2011

After almost 5 years with my trusty ( but slow ) Buffalo Terastation NAS I have upgraded to a QNAP TS-459 Pro II. It's aimed at small businesses, but works well at the heart of a home network if you are a demanding user - I am... When I started to download more HiDef material my old NAS struggled sometimes, so I ended up copying all the material to the local disk of a Windows XP machine I use as a server to avoid dropouts, but kept the master copy on the NAS for resilience. Now I have everything on the QNAP and am also running SqueezeBox Server on this as it's available a a QPKG plugin. Some interesting benchmarks - running on the QNAP I can rescan the whole collection of over 400 albums in about 2 minutes compared to over 6 on the old server - not bad for a dual core Intel Atom based device, just goes to show how bloated Windows is compared to Linux!

It's also much quicker on Tag&Rename so I'm sorting out some inconsistencies in my tags that were beginning to irritate me, but could not face the long process on my old NAS.

Finally, performance on iPeng on the my iPad is now really snappy - no glitches or snags at all.

So, if your looking for a high performance NAS I would recommend taking a close look at QNAP, and if you are prepared to spend about a £1k the TS-450 Pro II fitted with a bunch of Enterprise class 1Tb disks offers excellent performance.

I also use it for Mail Server storage, so iSCSI volume support is also useful.

And... I expect this is a psychological effect, but I think it sounds better too... QNAP -> Transporter -> nDac -> 252 -> 300 -> S-600 sounds bloody great to me!
Posted on: 03 September 2011 by GrahamFinch

Am thinking about the Qnap 219 2tb solution for about £440. Have heard good reports of Qnap but they seem pricey - I thought £440 was a bit steep let alone £1000.

 

I know there are a number of NAS drive threads plus the Naim test tool. How much difference can the NAS drive make? Provided you have a back up does it matter much? Do we need to spend £400 -£1000 on a NAS drive, especially if it is just for streaming music domestically rather than serving an entire commercial network?

Posted on: 04 September 2011 by garyi
Its like everything graham, you pay for quality and reliability.
Posted on: 04 September 2011 by DaveBk

As garyi says, it's a cost / benefit analysis. My thinking process was as follows:

 

Loads of Googling to see which brands seemed to be getting the most positive feedback from real users. QNAP were well liked and respected, so I looked at their range of NAS units.

 

4 drives seemed the sweepspot for my needs - 5 would have been nice as I could have built a RAID 6 volume and gained a bit more resiliance without losing more space to store the extra parity info, but the extra cost to insure against 2 almost simultaneous failures seemed over the top.

 

My justification for the top of the range 4 drive NAS was:

 

Dual core processor - I intend to run a few additional services on the NAS such as Squeezebox Server, and potentially move my mail server over as well, so a bit more processing horse power seemed desirable.

 

Upgradable memory - again, if I start more services this removes a potential bottleneck.

 

SATA 6Gb/s support - don't need this yet, but potential future proofing for when I run out of space on my current 4 1Tb drives and look to upgrade. I suspect by then there will be more faster enterprise class drives available at affordable prices.

 

USB3 support - faster backups!

 

So, as a 4-5 year investment, £1k to allow top class performance today, and the ability for at least 1 upgrade, seemed worth it.

 

If you just want a simple NAS for streaming and nothing else then this is probably over the top, but whatever you decide keep a separate back up as RAID is not perfect. Ripping hundreds of CDs again, and losing thousands of my photos would seriously p*ss me off!

Posted on: 04 September 2011 by DavidDever

I recently visited a retailer who had specified the QNAP TS-212, and, frankly, I nearly bought one–quiet, solidly built, and relatively easy to set up.

Posted on: 06 September 2011 by Tylercoupe
I have an HDX system in my main home and another one in my mountain cabin, along with 2 Qutes in each home. I use Qnap 559 pro iis in each house. I currently only use 4 of the 5 drive slots...(4 2TB seagate xt in raid 5 for ~6TB of storage). These units perform great and are very fast. The cool feature is that I use RTR(real time replication) so that whenever I rip from the home HDX to the NAS or download hires...the home NAS kicks off a job to copy the new files to the cabin 120 miles away. So the music is all there when I show up. Very cool and highly recommended
Posted on: 08 September 2011 by GrahamFinch

Am thinking about the Qnap 219 2tb

I took delivery today of a QNap 219p and 2x2tb Seagate drives. Good build quality and looks good too.  I assembled everything easily and have followed the instructions but so far it has been five and a half hours "initialising" and it still hasn't finished.

Posted on: 08 September 2011 by Steve2

My Qnap TS-412 arrived yesterday all assembled with two Seagate 1Tb Constellation drives in it.  I took the plunge after visiting the Heathrow show and talking to Technical support.  They had a Qnap TS-410 on display and recommended it.  Despite having had two serious doses of cancer I reckon that I am a reasonably lucky individual (I am reminded constantly by my wife....) and do not envisage a double failure so I am going to risk life and limb and rely on Raid 0 until such time as I feel the need to fill the remaining slots.  I have Mac and PC systems in the house.  The Qnap forum seems very helpful as well for those like myself who are not particularly technically minded.  Hoping to set my system up this weekend.

 

SteveT

Posted on: 09 September 2011 by garyi

Go raid five!

 

I have the TS410 so let me know if you need anything, I have pretty much set mine up to the max, with offsite login and the likes. A great device.

Posted on: 09 September 2011 by GrahamFinch

so far it has been five and a half hours "initialising" and it still hasn't finished.

 

Well for some reason it took for ever and still didn't work, so I was thinking "no marks" for ease of use and send it back. I then checked the Qnap forum and found a suggestion about removing disk one and trying a different disk.. I took out the new Seagate and used an older 1tb WD disk.

 

It worked and everything configured.I  have now managed to put the original Seagate disk in and managed to get the NAS to respond. I  am hopefully now configuring it as Raid 1.

 

I hope to be able to put some music on it eventually! Why is nothing as straightforward as it seems??

Posted on: 09 September 2011 by DaveBk
I've also had a slight hiccup - one on my 4 enterprise class disks developed some bad blocks after 2 days - replacement arrives tomorrow. Hopefully this one will be ok..
Posted on: 09 September 2011 by DaveBk
@ Steve 2 - given my experience watch out. Raid 0 is primarily about performance as the data is spread over 2 disks and can in theory be read back twice as fast, but if you lose a single disk, all data will be lost. Make sure you back this up regularly.
Posted on: 10 September 2011 by Steve2

Cheers DaveBk 

 

I plan on setting up the system, creating accounts etc and generally familiarizing myself with how to use it as I am no technie by any stretch of the imagination.  When I am comfortable with all the protocols and it has settled down I will invest in two more drives and go RAID 5, thanks for that garyi.  I want everything to be as simple as possible to start with........  but thanks again for your advice.  Much appreciated.

 

SteveT

Posted on: 12 September 2011 by GrahamFinch

I hope to be able to put some music on it eventually! Why is nothing as straightforward as it seems??

 

it took ages to copy the music over from a USB hard drive but the NAS is now set up. I copied the music in to a sub folder within the "Multimedia" folder and assumed I would automatically be able to stream from the sub folder. But no, I had to go through the Admin page sharing route to enable sharing from the sub folder.

 

I put the music in a sub folder as I want to be able to compare the pc rips I have transferred with the new rips I will make when I get my Unitiserve ssd and NDX. That way I can more easily compare and decide whether I need to to re-rip anything.

 

As for the NAS,  I think I was a bit unlucky with the initial set up but it is well built, neat and quiet and I am hopeful it will do what I want.

 

Posted on: 15 September 2011 by intothevoid

I've been running my TS-409U for two years and I cannot fault it. Using 4 x 1.5TB seagates in RAID5, it is plenty powerful enough to stream music to several zones, as well as ripped DVD and Blu-ray movies.

 

Easy to configure, manage, and use. I've taken the precaution of putting it on an APC UPS for peace of mind.

 

Current up-time: 106 days (since I shut it down to go on holiday). Thinking about it, my SuperNait up-time is 106 days too! 

Posted on: 15 September 2011 by Tylercoupe

Was curious to how successful you are at watching ripped blu-ray movies.  Do you have to watch on a computer or do you have a Blu ray player which will play ripped video files.

 

I have an Oppo 93 which can connect and play network files but I believe it will not play video files.

 

Thanks

Posted on: 16 September 2011 by intothevoid
Originally Posted by Tylercoupe:

Was curious to how successful you are at watching ripped blu-ray movies.  Do you have to watch on a computer or do you have a Blu ray player which will play ripped video files.

 

I have an Oppo 93 which can connect and play network files but I believe it will not play video files.

 

Thanks

I have two Samsung LED tv's with their 'SmartHub'. The tv's are internet connected and DLNA enabled, so I can stream music, pictures, and movies directly to them with having any other boxes to worry about. They work brilliantly, but it took a bit of time getting the file formats right. The beauty of the SmartHub is that I can also connect directly to the BBC iPlayer and to LoveFilm and stream straight to the tv.

 

Ripping my blu-rays has been the biggest challenge though , whereas dvd's have always been very straight forward.

 

The only thing I haven't sussed yet it how to stream blu-ray to my son's PS3; only because I haven't found a compatible file format for both PS3 and Samsung, so that I only have one ripped copy to serve both devices. The search goes on...