What is the coldest the room can get for Naim gear to not be damaged?

Posted by: Consciousmess on 31 October 2011

Hi all,

 

I presently use my partner's garage as my listening room and have done so since June this year.  It must be mentioned that I always leave my Naim equipment on (as most of us do), but it is now starting to get very cold in this room.  She has informed me that the room becomes bitterly cold over winter, so I am now concerned as to whether my equipment will be damaged by it being so cold.

 

Can anyone give ne an idea of how cold the listening room can be?  I mean I know in my part of the country it got to -10 last year (outside).

 

Many thanks,

 

Jon

Posted on: 31 October 2011 by rackkit

Isn't this a good time for your partner to allow you and your system to 'come in from the cold'?

 

Posted on: 31 October 2011 by Jono 13

If the kit is powered up then it will be "warm" by default. It is only when the electronic components and PCBs get cold that problems can occur.

 

Jono

Posted on: 31 October 2011 by XJR1300 SP

 Hi Consciousmess

 Not too concerned about your Naim gear as its power up all the time I would be more worried about the potential damage to your speaker eg damp and condensation. When my ex threw me out of the matrimonial abode  she left a pair of Mission speakers in the garage for me to collect and this was an integral garage.  I thought they would be ok but after 4 weeks the drive units were wrecked due to damp and cold.  Just a thought for you that’s all  I would also be concerned about damp on your snaics etc.

Regards

Posted on: 31 October 2011 by fatcat
Originally Posted by Consciousmess:

I am now concerned as to whether my equipment will be damaged by it being so cold.

 

 


Jon

 

I'd recommend wearing at least two pair of thermal underwear.

Posted on: 31 October 2011 by Bananahead
Originally Posted by Jono 13:

If the kit is powered up then it will be "warm" by default. It is only when the electronic components and PCBs get cold that problems can occur.

 

Jono


This is not really true. It will just be warmer than ambient. Probably -5 instead of -10.

 

I would move it as soon as possible.

Posted on: 01 November 2011 by Mike-B

There is no such thing as cold,  its less heat. 

Cold is how you personally feel   

 

Seriously -  Most electronic components are OK at -40'c especially the passive parts like resistors & diodes. IC's & moving parts tend to be more delicate. 

 

The real problem is humidity. At lower temps the air carries a high % of water vapour & even a slight fall in temperature can take it past dew point & water will condense on surfaces & inside internal parts.  

This can trigger all sorts of problems, corrosion, electrolysis, surface deposits & other nasties that will continue to cause problems even when the equipment is bought back into a normal room temp.

 

Leaving it powered on might raise the temp enough to prevent it reaching dew point in some situations,  but at some point it risks getting low enough or humid enough to cause condensation somewhere in something.  

Posted on: 01 November 2011 by rich46

extreme temp could be a problem but its the moisture in the air is the killer.

Posted on: 01 November 2011 by steveb

At lower temps the air carries a high % of water vapour

 

funny i thought that with lower temperatures there was less water in a given volume of air-  cold air feels dry.

SteveB

Posted on: 01 November 2011 by count.d

Yes, you're correct SteveB.

 

Anything below 10c would be potentialy damaging imo.

Posted on: 01 November 2011 by graham55
Originally Posted by fatcat:
Originally Posted by Consciousmess:

I am now concerned as to whether my equipment will be damaged by it being so cold.

 

 


Jon

 

I'd recommend wearing at least two pair of thermal underwear.

Yes, frostbite to your equipment would be a real passion killer.

Posted on: 01 November 2011 by Eloise
Have you considered adding some insulation... Battern the walls first.

Will make the garage more comfortable for both the equipment and you.

Eloise
Posted on: 01 November 2011 by Mike-B

SteveB,   i thought that with lower temperatures there was less water in a given volume of air

-  cold air feels dry.

 

Not until the air temp falls below 0'c 

Air below 0'c does tend to become dryer because the water vapour begins to freeze out & will not get back to a vapour state until its temperature rises above freezing & is warm enough to evaporate. 

 

Above & close to 0'c the air is commonly very close to 100%RH & will condense (reach its dew point) on anything that is even slightly cooler & is seen typically in heavy dews on cold mornings, mist hanging in low lying cold spots & fog.  That air will feel very damp 

That very same cold damp air in your home when warmed to say 20'c will then have a very low relative humidity & will feel dry.  But it still possesses the same volume of water.   

Posted on: 02 November 2011 by Fabio 1

Jon,

if you decide to take your Naim gear into a warmer place,say a house,you'd better put all the components into a plastic bag and leave them there until they reach the same temperature of the house.Doing so condensation will stay on the plastic bag surface and not into the components.