Other streaming options

Posted by: A funny thing happened on the way to the on 01 November 2011

Hi All

 

I have  a Userve & Uqute  in lounge and NAS in spare room using Powerline into the lounge for the Userve. Files 70% wav 20% flac 10% mp3

 

I would like to be able to access the music on the NAS and (maybe the serve) from the comfort of my bedroom  

 

I also have another amp and set of speakes that I can set up and prefer to use existing amp

 

Options i have identified.

 

1. Buy another Qute- Would like to use existing amp though - cheaper

2. Buy Sonos - Sonos will not show data on wav files from serve  (ie will see all tracks but will be Unknown album?unknow artist)

3. buy a netbook, audio out from this to amp and play that way - but not good from commanding in bed unless netbook/amp next to bed.

 

Questions:

 

I have seen mention of Vortex box, could I set up a pc as a vortex box , into the amp and control vortex box from ipad app ?

 

I presume Vortex will show all album info for wav s?

 

 

Are there any other options from  the  "great and good" I should investigate ?

 

Many thanks.

 

A

 

 

 

Posted on: 01 November 2011 by McGhie
Hi A Vortexbox plays FLAC by default but not Wav. I use a server with Vortexbox installed to stream to my NaimUniti. I'd prefer to stream Wav but have converted all my music to uncompressed FLAC (using dBpoweramp) on the Vortexbox as I don't know of a way to make it serve up Wav - if anyone has found a way round this then I'd be interested to hear! So, you could use Vortexbox but you may need to convert all your Wav to FLAC. If you're going to do this then you could equally go down the Sonos route. I may be wrong but I think you can only use Vortexbox over a network (think of it like a specialised NAS for streaming media files). That's how I use it. Don't think you can plug it directly into your amp (hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong), so you'll need something like the Sonos (or another UQ) to receive the streamed music, and you'll use its associated streaming app rather than controlling the Vortexbox directly. There may be other use cases that I'm not familiar with. Hope that helps. Cheers Ian
Posted on: 01 November 2011 by Tog
Vortexbox is a suite of music server programs running on Linux (Fedora14) and currently offers the ability to stream music via UPnP / DLNA, DAAP (iTunes ), Squeezebox and Sonos. In addition you can use the Vortexbox player software MPD (Music Player Daemon) to play music over USB, optical or SPDIF into a dac. In addition control for MPD even comes with Mpod and Mpad control software for IPod/iPads.

You can use any Vortexbox installation as a player but obviously the better our sound card and dac the better the SQ. Simple Designs (Sonore) produce a range of very high quality servers that use Vortexbox as a player - a kind of alternative HDX without quite the dent in your bank balance.

Curiously VB's ripper produces wav files before converting to flac and I believe that there are some hacks to persude it too keep the wav files. By default Vortexbox streams flac or mp3 and the developers are perfectly happy with flac as am I. It can automatically mirror your library to alac to enable you to shift music to an iPod.

Forget the wav v flac debate it's pointless. just rip and enjoy.

Tog
Posted on: 01 November 2011 by rhr
The linn Sneaky might be worth a look, not as good as the UnitiQute, but better than the Sonos. About halfway in price terms as well if you shop around on the net.

The sneaky could also act as a preamp or source for your other amp.
Posted on: 02 November 2011 by Peter_RN

Look out for a new company about to launch in about a couple of weeks from now if they are on course, called Simple Audio. These are ex Linn engineers setting up to complete at about the Sonus level and offering both a streamer with or without built-in amp.

 

If they turn out to be ok then they should pick up on you Userve and use you current music files. Check out their website, for a cheapish multi-room system they look promising. Don’t expect Qute levels of sound, but who knows. Their philosophy is to use Powerline to distribute the Audio in preference to wireless, so might be an added interest to you.

 

Peter

 

Posted on: 02 November 2011 by Tog
Powerline - er ... I would give up expecting Sonus levels of SQ never mind Qute.

With Powerline my advice would be threefold ...

No
No

but more importantly no...

You would be better off watching Ant and Dec ..... On second thoughts that's unfair to Powerline.

Tog
Posted on: 02 November 2011 by garyi
Appletv?
Posted on: 02 November 2011 by Iver van de Zand
Dear A,

If you have an iPhone or Ipad, the cheapest waybto gonis buying yourself an Airports Express. Using iTunes on a pc, you can quickly build a library from you NAS based music files. ITunes will stream to the Airport Express which is connected to your Amp. Optionally you can use the iPhone or iPad to remotely control iTunes on the pc.

In terms of sound quality this does not compete with UnitiCute, but the sq is more than fair.

Iver
Posted on: 02 November 2011 by likesmusic
Logitech are shortly to release their Logitech Music Server - you can already download the beta. This makes Logitech Touches appear as UPnP renderers so you can stream to them from LMS or any UPnP server like Asset, and control them from any UPnP control point like PlugPlayer or Kinsky. I've briefly tried these permutations and they seem to work. This gives you the possibility of using a Touch as a UPnP network player just like an NDX, but rather cheaper.
Posted on: 02 November 2011 by Stoik

Likesmusic, the new server software is out, I installed it yesterday and works like a charm. I did nothing and tonight my laptop proposed me modify my home network settings to share music with the SB Touch, LOL!

 

The SB Touch also have my vote for a bedroom system, where it's size and functions will certainly be appreciated (namely the touch screen and wireless networking). No problem with WAV files listing with the Touch, where you'll see raw text file names as you see them on your computer, minus the dot wav extension.

 

Bye.

Posted on: 02 November 2011 by pcstockton

likes and stoik,

 

SB Touch but with UPNP so I can use J River and/or Foobar?  This is my streamer until I get something that betters it!!!

 

Buying one right away.  Can sell it along if it isnt at least equal to my Juli@. 

 

Computer may be leaving the listening room afterall!!!!!!  I could simply run a cable tomy HDTV from my office where the PC running JRMC will reside.

 

woohoo

Posted on: 02 November 2011 by pcstockton

Has anyone stacked up the SB Touch with the Qute for digital out?

 

-p

Posted on: 02 November 2011 by Stoik

I didn't tested the Qute more than a quick listen 2 years ago at a HiFi expo when it was lauched, so I can't say much about the quality of SPDIF it got. However, many folks here are using it for that purpose, and the general opinion seems to be highly favorable.

 

My SB Touch is working with the stock power supply and an average digital interconnect. I never experienced a lost of synchro between the Touch and the nDAC since I bought it, nor any audible signs of SPDIF distress (roughness, edginess, strange sounding timbres, etc...).

 

Bye.

Posted on: 02 November 2011 by naimUnT
IMO the USB implementation from notebook or tablet into a good DAC with USB asynchronous clocking is the way to go! Exciting times for sure as more and more audio manufacturers embrace computer audio
Posted on: 02 November 2011 by likesmusic
Stoik - where's the "official" download - I could only find it in the beta site?

Patrick - hope this helps, have only tried it for ten minutes, but from what Stoik says it seems like it works.
Posted on: 02 November 2011 by Tog
Logitech Media Server is also available for OSX although the beta has not been without its issues. It is probably the best current candidate for a Mac UPnP server. Tog
Posted on: 03 November 2011 by Guido Fawkes

> IMO the USB implementation from notebook or tablet into a good DAC with USB asynchronous clocking is the way to go! 

 

It is a way to go, but it is not the only way.  I've used a Mac and VB that way and got good results from both - didn't get any headaches so no need for tablets. Don't like the idea of USB ports in DACs as it shoves computer noise right up them, which is not nice. I prefer a good USB/S-PDIF convertor. Of course, that fits the Naim philosophy as no DAC I've heard is better than the Naim DAC with 555PS. 

 

UQ vs W4S Sonos as a streamer in to Naim DAC - very little if any difference in SQ.

Sonos is nicer to use and supports more formats. 

I would think either would be as good as, but not necessarily better than SB Touch. 

(My Sonos up-samples which I think has benefits: nothing scientific, it just seems to improve the clarity: a Meridian CD transport does the same and has the same appeal


Of course, hi-res is out in my set-up, so the UQ beats the Sonos if hi-res is your bag, 

Posted on: 03 November 2011 by Guido Fawkes
Originally Posted by Tog:
Logitech Media Server is also available for OSX although the beta has not been without its issues. It is probably the best current candidate for a Mac UPnP server. Tog

If the Lord had wanted us to stick UPnP on our Macs then he'd never have given us the Vortexbox 


Sonos just works with a Mac - no special software required - you do need a Sonos bridge though. 

Posted on: 03 November 2011 by Peter_RN
Originally Posted by Tog:
Powerline - er ... I would give up expecting Sonus levels of SQ never mind Qute.

With Powerline my advice would be threefold ...

No
No

but more importantly no...

You would be better off watching Ant and Dec ..... On second thoughts that's unfair to Powerline.

Tog

Hi Tog

 

Well you may be right but then again………….

 

The OP is already using Powerline to supply his Serve so presumably he is not encountering the problems that we all know are possible with this method of transfer; I was not suggesting its use as optimal, but neither is wireless, at least IMHO.

 

The engineers involved in this project are quite well respected and I for one will give their product a listen once available, what’s to loose?

 

The units are fitted with an RJ45 socket, no wireless built-in so that makes them more interesting to me. Connect them how you wish.

 

I’ll leave Ant & Dec to you thanks all the same.

 

Peter

Posted on: 03 November 2011 by okli

Hi A, I have iPhone and WLAN router so I simply use the PlugPlayer application on my iPhone and its headphones to listen to my FLACs from my NAS served via UPnP, when I go to bed. You can, of course connect the iphone to the amp in your case. I just wanted to share this option to you if you own some of these toys already.

Posted on: 03 November 2011 by Tog

@Guy - er I've never really got on with previous iterations of Slimserver/LogitechboxSqueezer but the lure of a UPnP server that works on a Mac was two much and I had to have a go with the latest flavour.

 

Well I did get one track to play The Beatles "No Reply" - mono remaster and it sounded OK - but half my other files refused to play - control via nStream was too slow and artwork was hit and very miss - ten minutes later I was back to the trusty TogServe 2 (Golden Elk edition) with Vortexbox - and relaxed again.

 

Well it was worth a try Logitech 0 - Vortexbox 1

 

Tog

Posted on: 03 November 2011 by pcstockton

Yeah... i wouldn't use their "server" either.  But whatever the hell I need to do to make it a UPNP renderer I am ALLLLLLLL over.

Posted on: 03 November 2011 by likesmusic
Patrick, I'm sitting here right now using Linns Kinsky control point on my iPad streaming from J River MC on a laptop upstairs to a Squezebox Touch in my kitchen. Game over!!  You kinda have to initiate things with LMS,  but then you can abandon it if you want. PlugPlayer seems to work, Asset UPnP too .. The writing is on the wall. No doubt there'll be aggravations but the whole paradigm has just opened up. The day after your Touch arrives you'll be a happy boy.
Posted on: 03 November 2011 by pcstockton

You are speaking my language Likes!!!  I will use JRMC along with the new My River App, or PP.

 

WOOOHOOOO very excited.  I want one NOW though and I hate buying things online.  No local retailers seem to carry Logitech Streamers anymore.  I will keep looking.

 

Thanks for the confirmation that it will work as I need.

 

Cheers!

Patrick

 

Posted on: 03 November 2011 by Iver van de Zand
Guys, where can I download the beta software for Music Server ? I also like to read a little bit about the software before trying it. Any good sites recommended with some background info ?

Iver
Posted on: 03 November 2011 by likesmusic
Www dot mysqueezebox dot com slash download

- its not beta anymore, that's the standard download site