Pros and Cons of different streaming setup?

Posted by: Mrox on 15 November 2011

Hi,

I'm open minded for setting up my Qute with a streaming setup but I have a hard time to figure out what are the pros and cons, complexity, system maintenace, etc.

Is there any documentation I have missed? Best practices documented?

I'm a new Naim forum user, maybe I have missed a thread of discution or something?

 

I'm running a PC with Vista.  Planning to move with Windows 7 soon, change to a good N router and maybe jump in the NAS drive world if it's woth it.

Thanks!

Posted on: 16 November 2011 by Peter_RN

There is a full version of the manual that can be downloaded from http://www.naimaudio.com/support/manuals under the All-IN-ONE Player drop down menu, if you have not found it yet.

 

Use the search procedure to find a lot of threads on the Qute. If you have to go the wireless route, remember that it is recommended that only one leg is wireless, say the final leg to the Qute. This could be achieved for example by installing a NAS adjacent to the router and connecting it via cable. It really depends on how you see using/controlling your system.

 

Peter

Posted on: 16 November 2011 by Mrox

Thanks for the link Peter.

I did went through the related manuals.  What I'm more looking for, is real life general common experience. 

Let me make up examples:  NAS are most of the time complex to set and always need trouble shooting, but works much better after and no maintenance.  Upnp with PC always crash with Vista but ok with Windows 7.  Itunes works fine, Windows Media 12 is the easiest path, bla bla bla.

 

Actually the leg comment you just mention is the kind of info I'm looking for and might not be in the manuals. I was trying to find what I call a "best practice" comments/document in the forum or somewhere else.

Thanks again.

Posted on: 16 November 2011 by Mrox

Just missed the edit time by a few sec... 

 

So meanwhile, as recommended I will try to dig info pieces by pieces with the search tool.

 

What I'm looking for is just an easy way to setup that will allow me to use all functionalities available ( Search by artist, by album, see the albums jpg when using Iphone, use playlist, etc).  I have a computer in the basement that I can keep "on" 24/7, and I'm ready to buy NAS or move to Windows 7. or other proposition?

Thanks.

Posted on: 16 November 2011 by Peter_RN

Unfortunately, I don’t think that such a document exists, as there are almost as many solutions as systems in use. There is a lot of info contained in those threads from both Naim staff and forum members, so worth taking a look, hopefully.

 

I could only really recommend that you experiment as much as possible using the equipment that you have and try and formulate a method of serving your files and selection/control of the stream either using the remote, a PC or the other option and get an idea of what works for you.

 

For what it’s worth we are using a small computer running Foobar with the UPnP component installed and this is doing a fine job serving files from our NAS. The remote also works very well until we wish to play classical music, then the screen is a little small.

 

Perhaps others may have more ideas for you. Good luck.

 

Peter

 

P.S.  WHS boxes are an alternative to a NAS, and allow a more varied choice of software. Might be worth bearing in mind.

Posted on: 16 November 2011 by pcstockton

do you have the Qute already?  If so your dealer is your source for help.  If you haven't yet bought the Qute, make sure you buy from a dealer who can assist you in setting it up.

 

-patrick

Posted on: 17 November 2011 by Mrox
Originally Posted by Peter_RN:
...For what it’s worth we are using a small computer running Foobar with the UPnP component installed and this is doing a fine job serving files from our NAS. The remote also works very well until we wish to play classical music, then the screen is a little small....

P.S.  WHS boxes are an alternative to a NAS, and allow a more varied choice of software. Might be worth bearing in mind.

 

This is such valuable information for me Peter.  It's very much appreciated.  Thanks!

 

 

Originally Posted by pcstockton:

do you have the Qute already?  If so your dealer is your source for help.  If you haven't yet bought the Qute, make sure you buy from a dealer who can assist you in setting it up.

 

-patrick

Patrick, as mention in my first post in this forum, (a post that you contributed on and I did appreciate your reply), it's a second hand as I can't afford a new one (even busted my budget on that second hand).  So I'm ready to fight my way for a set up that will work and now I'm trying to figure what are the available tools for me to do so.  This is why you can read these lines.

 

Ref:

https://forums.naimaudio.com/di...nt/11281028935153506

Posted on: 17 November 2011 by pjl2

Mrox,

 

Let me say straight away that I don't have a steaming/computer audio set-up, so I definitely can't speak from experience. However, I have done a lot of research into the whole thing, and it strikes me that it is not quite the simple easy and trouble-free "promised land" that it is often promoted to be. Certainly you need to have a good level of IT understanding in order to get the best from any set-up. As to your specific question, as has been said already, I don't think the kind of best practice guidance that you are seeking actually exists anywhere. That said, there are many who have embraced streaming and will never look back - but it's not for everybody. You may want to have a look at Malcolm Steward's website. If you don't already know, he's a very experienced audio journalist/reviewer and Naim user. worth having a look for advice on computer audio and hi-fi in general. Good luck.

 

Peter

Posted on: 17 November 2011 by Jack
As Peter mentioned I would recommend starting off with UPnP server installed on your PC and then play around - most of them are eithrr free or offer a free trial. Longer term I suspect you will want a dedicated machine (e.g. NAS) for serving the music up to the Qute - negates the need to have the PC switched on every time you want to play music and most probably offers some performance benefits given its dedicated. Once you go down a dedicated machine route you will to a certain extent be locking yourself into the UPnP server that comes with the device or that is supported with the device (or accept having multiple devices)

For example, QNAP comes with and supports a version of Twonky which is a well known UPnP server. Asset is another well known server but wont run on QNAP and as far as I know only runs on Microsoft systems. Others will suggest Vortexbox - I have no experienced but it is well regarded by certain members (I'm sure Tog will jump in here!).

Things to consider about UPnP servers - what level of control do you have so that the control point display tree structure (e..g. IPad) looks the way you want it to look - this is a again to a certain extent dependant on the UPnP server - I found Asset to be very good in his respect. Also what sort of support does the server have for tags in different file types. Asset supports wav files very well and sends all the tags in the correct manner in my set up. Twonky makes a complete mess of this with wav but supports FLAC very well IME.

As you can see there is a lot to think about - just get started with something such as Asset and try a few others to get some experience.
Posted on: 17 November 2011 by Mrox

Very instructive comments, thanks!

 

I was already thinking for a solution to centralize all my data at one place and access it from my other laptops. (Without having any knowledge on the topic)

Here why I was already thinking to use some kind of setup with Windows 7 or a NAS.

Now that the UnitiQute landed in my house, it is important for me to include it in the setup of course.

 

I'm using DBpowerAmp for ripping my CD into FLAC files, MP3 and ALAC at the same time.  But I want to use my FLAC and stay away as much as possible from ALAC as it is a proprietary format, and MP3 are dedicated for the LoFi portable devices.

My audio files are stored in folders, one CD for each folders. I would like to keep by albums, but be able to search by artist or song name.

"folder \ track":  [artist] - [album]  [year] \ [track] - [title]

 

I guess to start I'll use my desktop (and keep it open 24/7) and try to find an easy UPnP software to set up.  I'll give a try with my actual router which is G standard, but if I got it right, I might have to move for a N standard to avoid performance issue (which also offer a USB Storage Port Support... No idea where that fit in the set up but I also have an external hard drive that I could plug).  I'm already using N-Stream on my Iphone with the basic functionality and I like it.

 

Thanks