Noisy LP run-in

You are posting this for a laugh??

Stu.

It's better than having a quiet run in and bad music.

Chris N

No. I find it puzzling, not funny.

Stu, you're going back to your old ways. Perhaps you should take a break again.

Fatcat, I have many lp's like this and I think it's to do with the temperature of the molten vinyl not being high enough when pressed. It cools too quickly as it spreads from the centre and leaves voids in the outer grooves.   

> I've noticed a lot of my LP's have a noisy/crackly run-in. When the music starts the noise disappears. 

One or two of my old ones, but never seen it as problem as the important thing is the music. My Pearls Before Swine records seem to crackle on the last tracks (the Reprise ones, not early ESP) and that is very annoying. I've got them on CD so I can enjoy these tracks, but I was very irritated by my vinyl, perhaps an RCM could do the trick (anybody recommend a good scratch filter my Cambridge Audio P60 used to have two and my first amp, a Sinclair P60, had variable active filters - of course I know these are not ideal, but sometimes it is the best you can aspire to). 

Count

Thanks for the explanation, reassuring to know it's not unusual.

Considering cartridges are so fragile/delicate, dropping them into a relatively deep and rough groove can't be doing them any good.

Considering cartridges are so fragile/delicate

Would not lose sleep over it - the diamonds are pretty robust. 

It is probably that the noise is there throughout but is masked by the music...

Old way's.

Take a break again.??

Computer says no..   Cough.

Book a ride on the commmmon sense flight that left 25 hours ago..

Stu

I'm with Stu I'm afraid. This is a piss take. A crackly lead in is part of the vinyl experience is it not? And one of the reasons I prefer cd.

Sorry if I'm stating the obvious. It's not 1st April is it?

Not all LP's have a crackly run-in, but a lot do.

.Am I really being accused of taking the piss by somebody who preferes an CDX2 to to an LP12.

Try some green paper to clean your stylus with the volume turned up.

You dont need to worry/stress over noise on run ins.

Stu

Maybe I do. I'm considering selling a couple of records, which in near mint condition are worth about £600 each. They are in near mint condition apart from a noisy run-in.

Man,

I cant see anyone selling just because of a noisey 1/4" run in.

There is no music on the run in.

Drop your stylus nearer the start of the track or just turn the volume down on the run in.

OK I will ask?

What are the albums?

Stu

I'm just astonished that somebody would even comment about a crackly run in when there's no music playing, and then be surprised that the crackles apparently stop when the music starts. For me it used to be part and parcel of listening to lps and in the mid 80s I had to return a particular album more than 20 times before eventually buying a Japanese pressing that was only marginally better than the first one I returned. It wasn't until I finally got it on cd that I was able to appreciate it fully.

And I fail to see what my cd/vinyl preference has to do with anything.

Fatcat, the other possible explanation is that the very outer edge is slightly thicker than the rest of the vinyl, so it tends to get the brunt of "wear" from being in a paper sleeve. Tiny scratches or paper dust could be causing the noise.

Name and shame the albums.

Richard might even have them?

We can then all on here see if we have them and look into this for you?

If we dont know what they are?How can we hear/test the run in noise?

Stu.

Fatcat, are you using a RCM?

If so, I have occasionally noticed an increase in surface noise on the run in groove after cleaning some LP's.

I put this down to the LP being thicker at the edge, and the suction pad not making proper contact with the vinyl at the outer edge run in groove leaving behind a residue that is replayed as surface noise.  And possibly for this reason I've also noticed the outer edge of the LP is always the last section of the LP surface to dry.

The remedy is to clean the LP again, making sure the suction pad is making contact in this area - sometimes by adding a little pressure with my finger to the suction pad over the run in groove area.

Note, I generally use a VPI RCM with acrylic suction pad.  Alignment of suction pad across surface of record is critical and on many machines adjustable.

Please note this is not a piss take.  And I hate to think how many LP's I have cleaned over the last 20 years............

Good luck with selling your LP's.

Hope this helps.

One could always wrap a newspaper round there head to make them look deep?

Frank Zappers words not mine.

Perhaps this is the offending album

Perhaps this is the offending album

Graham

That could be the answer. Only owned them about six months and haven't cleaned them, however they must have been cleaned by the previous owner, they are 40 years old and spotless. One hadn't been played by myself until a couple of weeks ago.

I don't know if it's my imagination, but having listened to the run-in half a dozen times the crackles don't seem so bad. Maybe the diamond is cleaning out the groove.