NDX 2 months on.

Posted by: james n on 28 November 2011

I thought i'd just post an update on my NDX having had it nearly 2 months now.
 
I must admit to being a bit apprehensive about moving back to a Naim front end after the Linn. The Linn experience had been superb. Quality hardware, great useability and a number of options on control points and UPnP servers are available (good old open source). I did take a long time to get round to auditioning the NDX, the main reason being the poor feedback on the forum regarding n-Stream. A loan of one convinced me that it was the way forward on sound quality grounds - the Akurate was sold and an NDX ordered.
 
So did it live up to expectations. In a word - Yes. In some ways it has exceeded them. Music library wise, if i was starting from scratch in the streaming game then a Vortexbox would be my server of choice, but we're an Apple centric household, with a CD collection stored on a NAS, ripped into AIFF by XLD and managed by iTunes. After seeking guidance on the forum, one of the UPnP servers i tried was Playback from Yazsoft. This has worked very well, integrates fully with my iTunes library and is quick and responsive with n-Stream including serving up Album artwork. The NDX has been ultra reliable, no lock ups or funny behaviour and after a few weeks of running in it's become a well used component and one i wouldn't want to be without.
 
The NDX just sounds right. I've found i'm listening to familiar tracks in a new light and what often starts with a quick sit down to listen to a single track often turns into a listen of a whole album. I just get absorbed into its music making. When it's not being used for UPnP rendering its taking the ouput from our TiVo box or being used for FM and DAB listening. Tuner performance is good. Fed by an FM 4 element roof mounted antenna signal quality is very good on both DAB and FM and sound quailty from the tuner module is more than good enough for causual listening. I'm more of a background listener when it comes to Radio so it suits my needs well.
 
Other things - system automation is neat. A 60p 3.5mm jack cable from Amazon connects the RC5 output on the NDX to my Nait XS and takes care of any input switching and volume. n-Stream, ok it's not as good as the Linn offerings at the moment but its functional. I just miss the option of adding queue lists on the fly when i'm listening. If we're having friends over then i just make up a playlist in iTunes and set the playback to random.
 
So what next ? - well an XPS2 or the new slimline XS PSU may find its way into the rack at some point but i've hit a particular sweet spot with this combination of components. It makes fine music and i'm very reluctant to upgrade - as i've found before, upgrades may provide short terms gains but not always long term satisfaction, so i'll be buying lots more CD's and exploring more HD downloads as they become available.
 
James
Posted on: 28 November 2011 by Frank Abela

Very interesting, thanks James. I'm surprised because there had been calls about how good the Akurate was and that it was better than highly spec'd CD players, so for the NDX to be int he same ballpark, let alone better, is doing well.

 

Regards,
Frank.
All opinions are my own and do not reflect the opinion of any organisations I work for, except where this is stated explicitly.

Posted on: 28 November 2011 by james n
Hi Frank - The Akurate was a fantastic player but loses out to the NDX in the rhythm stakes. The NDX heads off to the dance floor whereas the Akurate just watches from the side :-)

James
Posted on: 28 November 2011 by Simon-in-Suffolk
James, interesting write up, and I certainly enjoy my NDX as well. I did suffer from a few lockups but there should be a software update available shortly that will fix that.
I am interested in your FM module mention, and you state it's very good, but are a casual listener on radio. I am little more of a critical listener on R2 and R3.. And would like to ideally use the module.... So how does the FM radio 3 compare with the hidefinition radio 3 web radio station compare?
Simon
Posted on: 29 November 2011 by james n

I did dance round the floor when my local dealer gave me a trade in price for the ADS (won't be using them again !)

 

Simon, i've not compared the R3 stream to the FM version. I've only used the internet radio feature once and then disabled it. I'll give it another go. The DAB module does sound good - much better than the module in my n-Vi which in comparison to my old NAT-02 sounded rather grey and lifeless on FM. I suspect the module in the NDX is better and the rather more sophisticated digital to analogue conversion manages to get the best out of it.

 

James

Posted on: 19 February 2012 by ok8888

thanks,james

 

any comments on ndx onboard are welcome.

Posted on: 19 February 2012 by ok8888

sorry

any comments on ndx onboard fm are welcome.

Posted on: 19 February 2012 by Red Rooster
Originally Posted by AllenB:

Nice write up James, glad you are liking the NDX, and your last point seems to be a common one when comparing Naim to Linn. I like my music to have some drive and verve to it, it's why I have never felt the urge to explore Linn DS's. Now if someone posted honestly that their Linn makes them want to dance around the floor, I might get interested 

 

Allen

Hi,

 

My Akurate did and my new Klimax does even more so. Anyone who says Linn can't boogie is wrong IMHO. Very involving.

 

And I love making playlists up on the hoof as I browse through 1600 albums, just going where the mood takes me

 

ttfn

 

RR

Posted on: 20 February 2012 by Zinger
Question ... Why do you need a Yazsoft? I'm hoping to get an NDX in the next year or so ... So trying to figure this out. I tried using nStream at my local dealer, and personally found it a bit clunky. So decided to stick to iTunes until I figure what's going on on NDX end. Thanks
Posted on: 20 February 2012 by james n

Zinger - it depends what you want to do with your iTunes library. If like me, you want to use iTunes to manage your library and wish to use the NDX as a streamer for your iTunes library then you'll need a UPnP server to serve this library to the NDX (i'm assuming you're using a Mac ?)

 

RR - yes the Akurate was very, but ultimately i preferred the NDX way of doing things - it's all down to system matching and personal preference and as you've found the KDS/1 beats them all 

 

James

Posted on: 20 February 2012 by Zinger
James. Ya. That's what I want ... So Yazsoft converts iTunes interface to uPnP ? I really like the iTunes interface, and the sound of NDX
Posted on: 20 February 2012 by james n

No - it acts as a UPnP server for the iTunes library music files. You need to use nStream for control. You cant use iTunes as the control interface with the Naim streamers unless you connect the Mac via optical to the streamer but then this rather negates the advantages the streamer brings.

 

James

Posted on: 21 February 2012 by Mr Frog

Akurate replaced by NDX ......... yep, I can see why

 

I had the Akurate DS (new version with the Dynamik power supply) on home dem to compare against the NDX.

 

The Naim was simply more musical and fun to listen to.

 

Perhaps not everyone will agree

 

My wife and I simply found the Linn Akurate very uninteresting to listen to and even preferred the way that the Naim ND5XS presented the music! Much more .....

 

Sorry Linn, but as detailed at the DS range may be (accurate?), they simply aren't as much fun to live with when it comes to listening to the music - which is what it's all about, as opposed to whether it has a crystal clear presentation of certain instruments. Live concerts (in particular rock) simply don't sound that way at all.

 

Clearly James prefers the Naim 'fun sound' to his previous Linn and I can understand entirely

Posted on: 21 February 2012 by -goat-

I'm currently going through the burn in process with my NDX, and the difference between an 'off' period (such as I had last week) and the fully run in demo model I had briefly is huge. So much so it makes a bit of a mockery of A/B demos.

Posted on: 21 February 2012 by Zinger
Hey James. I see. So ultimately it's still nStream. But that effectively is same as running a NAS/uPnP setup? Now I have a QNAP NAS. So probably dont need a program beyond that ya? Sorry I'm a bit slow in the streaming side of world. I'm currently using only AppleTV and MacBook for my streaming part only ... Thanks
Posted on: 21 February 2012 by Red Rooster
Originally Posted by Mr Frog:

Akurate replaced by NDX ......... yep, I can see why

 

I had the Akurate DS (new version with the Dynamik power supply) on home dem to compare against the NDX.

 

The Naim was simply more musical and fun to listen to.

 

Perhaps not everyone will agree

 

My wife and I simply found the Linn Akurate very uninteresting to listen to and even preferred the way that the Naim ND5XS presented the music! Much more .....

 

Sorry Linn, but as detailed at the DS range may be (accurate?), they simply aren't as much fun to live with when it comes to listening to the music - which is what it's all about, as opposed to whether it has a crystal clear presentation of certain instruments. Live concerts (in particular rock) simply don't sound that way at all.

 

Clearly James prefers the Naim 'fun sound' to his previous Linn and I can understand entirely

Yes to each his own. I am also aware of  several people who work in the music business and particularly recording studios who say the Linn presents it very much akin to how it was recorded and not hyped up to some pseudo live sound.

 

I attend 20 + concert a year at all size venues and I have no problem listening to live sound or relating it back to Linn sources. IMHO some live concerts sound total shite and not a sound I want replicating at home.

 

Enjoy

 

ttfn

 

RR

Posted on: 22 February 2012 by Mr Frog
Originally Posted by Red Rooster:
 

Linn presents it very much akin to how it was recorded and not hyped up to some pseudo live sound.

 

Is that really how you would describe the Naim sound? 

 

I don't agree

 

Linn analogue (LP12) is great - I used to own one, but ...... the Naim digital products sound much more fun to listen to than their Linn equivalent, which I might add are ridiculously overpriced.

 

My love affair with Linn Products died years ago when I compared my (then) Linn Keltik Aktiv system to a pair of ATC50's. The money invested in the Linn gear was absolutely riduclous and the sound was no where near that of the ATC at a third of the cost!!!!

 

Linn were great when they developed the LP12, but have probably continued to ride on the 'coat tails' of that legendary product.

 

I'm not closed to Linn per se and will always audition their products against others before deciding which actually sounds better. However, I fail to understand why Linn are so expensive, even though they do not sound the best for that sort of investment.

 

I must concede that I haven't heard the Klimax DS at well over £10K and it may well be as good as people say ..... but if Naim released a similar £10K product, I'm pretty certain it will be much more 'bang for your buck' and sound better than the equivalent Linn.

 

In my opinion, Linn have gone down the Bang and Olufsen route ..... look great but don't sound great for the asking price. Pershaps that's why Linn are expensive because there have sleek designs, but in a darkened room it's what you hear that matters!

 

Ultimately, if you really do prefer the Linn sound, then good for you and enjoy it. To my ears the Naim is superior - which is why I bought it instead of the Linn

Posted on: 22 February 2012 by Red Rooster
Originally Posted by Mr Frog:
Originally Posted by Red Rooster:
 

Linn presents it very much akin to how it was recorded and not hyped up to some pseudo live sound.

 

Is that really how you would describe the Naim sound? 

 

I don't agree

 

Linn analogue (LP12) is great - I used to own one, but ...... the Naim digital products sound much more fun to listen to than their Linn equivalent, which I might add are ridiculously overpriced.

 

My love affair with Linn Products died years ago when I compared my (then) Linn Keltik Aktiv system to a pair of ATC50's. The money invested in the Linn gear was absolutely riduclous and the sound was no where near that of the ATC at a third of the cost!!!!

 

Linn were great when they developed the LP12, but have probably continued to ride on the 'coat tails' of that legendary product.

 

I'm not closed to Linn per se and will always audition their products against others before deciding which actually sounds better. However, I fail to understand why Linn are so expensive, even though they do not sound the best for that sort of investment.

 

I must concede that I haven't heard the Klimax DS at well over £10K and it may well be as good as people say ..... but if Naim released a similar £10K product, I'm pretty certain it will be much more 'bang for your buck' and sound better than the equivalent Linn.

 

In my opinion, Linn have gone down the Bang and Olufsen route ..... look great but don't sound great for the asking price. Pershaps that's why Linn are expensive because there have sleek designs, but in a darkened room it's what you hear that matters!

 

Ultimately, if you really do prefer the Linn sound, then good for you and enjoy it. To my ears the Naim is superior - which is why I bought it instead of the Linn

Hi,

 

As I said previously to each their own. I have owned Naim kit for 30 years and still love my 252/300. However you say you have not heard a KDS, then please do.

 

It is the best digital sound I have ever heard bar none. At £13K is is better than CD555 by a margin. Is that not the Naim £10K + product to compare? Do yourself a favour and listen but don't take your credit card with you.

 

All the best 

 

RR

Posted on: 22 February 2012 by Jonn

While the Linn KDS may have the advantage over the CD555 on hi res, the CD555 comfortably outperforms  the KDS on CD. I've done the comparisons and the Linn streamer range has a particular sound signature which is high on detail but just not as engaging musically as Naim IMHO, which to me is the most important factor when choosing equipment.

But then if you prefer the Linn sound then each to his own as others have said.

 

Jon

Posted on: 15 March 2012 by ok8888

 

my dealer told me that ndx/nd5xs will upgrade dab+ in may this year.

now is dab.

anyone has more information about this?