Post your experience on Reissue Vinyl quality!
Posted by: kuma on 03 December 2011
We all know that not all reissues sound good. Some of them down right atrocious.
I thought this thread could be an interesting data bank to see various folks experience with new vinyls. ( good or bad )
I know that most of them are going to be hit and miss. But I would love to share the experience with others with outstanding reissues as well as Hall-O-Shame releases.
I'm gonna start from my recent purchase of...
Sony/BGM Reissue of Beethoven Symphony No.5: Glenn Gould:88697148061
This is a reissue of Columbia Masterworks MS7095 Made in EU
Sound Quality:
High self noise. Sounds veiled and laid back compared to my original reissue from the 70s ( orange/brown label )
It lost the presence and some note decays from the original pressing.
Packaging Quality:
Poor 4 process colour label compared to the original spot colour Label. Disapointing that they couldn't bother to reissue with the original 2 Eye label. ( used the 70s version Label )
The outer Jacket is thin and printing looks faded out compared to the original. Some spine splits.
Record itself is slightly heavier than the 70s reissue.
I very much doubt this is made from the original tape. If it is, it's not a very well kept.
I was hoping this issue would sound good enough to replace my rather noisy original copy as well as, if this one works out, I was thinking replacing the Stokowski/Gould Emperor Concerto. But after this, forget it! I am better off keep looking for decent shape original issues or reissues even.
Jay,
Which version of Classic Records? 150g or 200g?
Your MCA comments surprises me cuz, my MCA reissue of 'Who are you' is not very good.
American Decca sounds interesting. Trying to find a mint condition vinyl, I'd think, is next to impossible. There are so many reissues on this album, it'is mind boggling.
Jay,
Which version of Classic Records? 150g or 200g?
Your MCA comments surprises me cuz, my MCA reissue of 'Who are you' is not very good.
American Decca sounds interesting. Trying to find a mint condition vinyl, I'd think, is next to impossible. There are so many reissues on this album, it'is mind boggling.
200g
Thanks.
Looking into the library, turened out I do have the US MCA reissue. (1980 ) Will give it a listen later. It has a different label art from the 'Who Are you' MCA reissue.
So much for a *Limited Edition*, eh?
I was ordering some LPs from Acoustic Sounds recently and was speaking with Nate. The original run was numbered. They flew out the door and the Blade Runner ST was repressed, also on red vinyl, but was not numbered.
matt,
Thanks for the info.
MOFI also numbers their records but not sure if they have a ceiling. IIRC, Blade Runner was limited to 5000 copies.
Sonically it is stunning.
Did you feel that 25 hz. synth. bass?
matt,
Thanks for the info.
MOFI also numbers their records but not sure if they have a ceiling. IIRC, Blade Runner was limited to 5000 copies.
Sonically it is stunning.
Did you feel that 25 hz. synth. bass?
I've also heard they limit the "limited numbered editions" to 5,000 but that they don't necessary limit the number of copes. Number 5001 and beyond just don't have numbers.
Apparently so Mutterback. I don't believe MOFi does though. I haven't ever bought an unnumbered copy of one of their releases.
matt,
Thanks for the info.
MOFI also numbers their records but not sure if they have a ceiling. IIRC, Blade Runner was limited to 5000 copies.
Sonically it is stunning.
Did you feel that 25 hz. synth. bass?
Indeed I did.
matt,
My MOFI Santana Abraxax is numbered.
I know someone with a pressing with an over 10k number. With such a high serial, it isn't very *limited*.
He was complaining about its laid back sound. (but my copy is nothing but )
Do you have this album without a serial?
Kuma,
I think I picked this one up, but I will have to check when I get home to see what number it is, if it has one to begin with. I don't recall any of my MOFIs getting into 5 digits but will have to look to be sure. Speaking of laid back sound, the MOFI Los Lobos Good Morning Aztlan on vinyl was truly horrific. By far the worst MOFI I have ever purchased. I hope they or someone else takes another crack at it on vinyl again. Wonderful music. On the other hand the MOFI By the Light of the Moon is really good.
matt,
Out of all the MOFI records I have only two did not have the serials.:Sinatra's Nice'n'Easy and 'Only the Lonely'.
Kuma,
My copy of Abraxas is serial number 02727. I pulled a few others and they all had serial nos. Perhaps tonight I will take a peek at the sleeves of the other ones and see if they are numbered. Of the few I did look at I was surprised to see several of my more recently purchased ones were under 00200. Must have pre-ordered early or maybe it was luck of the draw.
Matt
matt,
Out of all the MOFI records I have only two did not have the serials.:Sinatra's Nice'n'Easy and 'Only the Lonely'.
I did a quick check of my MOFI LPs. All have serial numbers. I do not have the Sinatra titles however.
The rumor has it that Jim Davis ( owner of MOFI/Music Direct ) keeps the first 200 pressings to himself. But you are right, some of my titles are like low 100s. My JT for instance has the serial 111.
I was told that I will never get under 100 serial MOFI records (Music Direct employee get them first )
I remember when the original MFSL went under and Music Direct bought the name and remaining stock, they were offering slews of titles with numbers in the 1-100 range. It almost sounds like the original owners sat on the first pressings as an investment. I hope you are right and the employees get those copies now rather than someone using them as a hedge.
matt,
Are both reocods done by the same mastering engineers?
Also, do you have originals to compared to?
Just curious gathering data as I found MOFI's inconsistency fascinating. ( there must be reasons )
matt,
Are both reocods done by the same mastering engineers?
Also, do you have originals to compared to?
Just curious gathering data as I found MOFI's inconsistency fascinating. ( there must be reasons )
I will take a look and see what I can find out. As best as I can tell the MOFI is the only vinyl version of Aztlan out there. The original Light of the Moon isn't bad but my copy of the MOFI seems to be a bit warmer sounding as well as having greater clarity. Time permitting I will do a more detailed comparison. I am very curious how Kiko will turn out. My vinyl copy sounds pretty good.
BTW I heard the Kandid again today. Really great. No Kleos SL at the shop currently though to compare to.
I don't own many country-western records, but Patsy Cline is one of my favourite singer.
Patsy Cline's Greatest Hits
Label: Analogue Production
200g Vinyl/ Stereo/ US/DL74854
Re-Mastering by: Ryan Smith at Sterling Sound
The lacquer for this LP was cut directly from the original master tape, a straight transfer with no mastering of any kind. No EQ. No nothing! A direct transfer, using a VMS 80 (per website )
Pressed at: Quality Record Pressings US
Release date: 2013
Sound Quality:
I do not have the orignial pressing but have several later MCA reissues which sounds pretty decent except it is a typical mono sound which all instruments are clumped together in the middle and Patsy's voice gets slightly stressed at upper midrange.
Analogue Production's new pressing is one of a better stereo remaster. Wide and spacious soundstage and now I can hear all the backing musicians behind her. The sound engineer spread the musicians left and right and placed Patsy right in the middle with clear and inky backdrop. But this is not one of those cheezy lefty righty stereo mix as every one is well integrated through the album.
There is no compressions anywhere I can hear on this album and her voice is natural and vulnerable as ever. Rhythm guitar is finger snapping and each instrumental colours are back in abundance. The engineer did a good job keeping the natural balance.
Fly in the ointment is that my copy is slightly off-center hole. I did not notice in up tempo numbers but in a subtle note decay at the tail end of a tune, I have noticed that a pitch instability. Sure enough the arm is slightly swaying left and right. Other than that the production quality of the vinyl is high as it is extremely quiet ( no pops or clicks even before the cleaning ).
Packaging Quality:
Sturdy gatefold jacket with light matt varnish filled with extra photos. Printing is bright and text is sharp. the color of the cover is different from the past reissues. ( deep Aqua green instead of bright green ) Original liner notes but there is no additional new copy. Rice paper inner.
Colourful original Decca label with excellent registration.
P.S. matt, I am so ecstatic about the Kleo SL now that I am not in a hurry to audition the Kandid any more!
matt,
Are both reocods done by the same mastering engineers?
Also, do you have originals to compared to?
Just curious gathering data as I found MOFI's inconsistency fascinating. ( there must be reasons )
Kuma,
I dug up my copies and both records were mastered by Krieg Wunderlich. I haven't played the Aztlan in at least 5 years and my copy (no. 00836) was much better than I recall. In fact, I will say that horrific was a very unfair assessment. Yes, it still seems a little closed in and dark, but the gist of the music comes through. I remember buying a second copy and thinking it was no better. That copy ended up at certain Naim dealer in Mount Kisco. Maybe my system in 2006/2007 wasn't doing the record justice. Not the best MOFI ever, but not crap.
Based on my copy of By the Light of the Moon (no. 000141), this title turned out better. A nice open sound and very rhythmic.
Thanks matt.
I do not own any MOFI records done by Wunderlich. All my *new MOFI* copies are mastered Rob LoVerde or Shawn Britton.
Sometimes, vacuum cleaning get rid of the veil off the new record.
So, Accent ended up with your *reject* MOFI record?
I gave David my Japanese stereo pressing of Ella in Berlin cuz I preferred mono pressing and he did not mind the stereo Ella. I think the only thing I miss about that record is the lyric sheet.
I found out why two of my MOFI pressings did not have the serials.
Turned out that they are Promo copies.
That doesn't sound too bad.
Thanks matt.
I do not own any MOFI records done by Wunderlich. All my *new MOFI* copies are mastered Rob LoVerde or Shawn Britton.
Sometimes, vacuum cleaning get rid of the veil off the new record.
So, Accent ended up with your *reject* MOFI record?
I gave David my Japanese stereo pressing of Ella in Berlin cuz I preferred mono pressing and he did not mind the stereo Ella. I think the only thing I miss about that record is the lyric sheet.
Perhaps I will run Aztlan through the RCM. That title was supposedly limited to 1000 copies. The copies floating around out there are going for quite a bit strangely enough. Probably more collectors putting them aside than listeners buying it for the music. Yes, my "reject" record went to Accent. Not to worry. I have given Alma several records over the years that weren't in my discard pile. It is good to keep her happy.
Kuma, sorry to read that the AP Patsy Cline is punched off-centre. It's a real bugbear of mine - I guess I must be very sensitive to pitch variations - and a pain to correct. Most of the recent new LPs I've bought have been off-centre. Either I've been exceptionally unlucky, or it could point to sloppy QC from some labels who really should be trying harder. I guess I would have been the ideal customer for the old Nakamichi TX-1000. No idea whether it was any good but love the self centering feature.
I am interested if anyone has any experience of Universals "Back To Black" vinyl re-issue series. I started a separate post on this before stumbling onto this thread
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