Post your experience on Reissue Vinyl quality!

Posted by: kuma on 03 December 2011

We all know that not all reissues sound good. Some of them down right atrocious.

I thought this thread could be an interesting data bank to see various folks experience with new vinyls. ( good or bad )

I know that most of them are going to be hit and miss. But I would love to share the experience with others with outstanding reissues as well as Hall-O-Shame releases.

 

I'm gonna start from my recent purchase of...

Sony/BGM Reissue of Beethoven Symphony No.5: Glenn Gould:88697148061

This is a reissue of Columbia Masterworks MS7095 Made in EU

Sound Quality:

High self noise. Sounds veiled and laid back compared to my original reissue from the 70s ( orange/brown label )

It lost the presence and some note decays from the original pressing.

Packaging Quality:

Poor 4 process colour label compared to the original spot colour Label. Disapointing that they couldn't bother to reissue with the original 2 Eye label. ( used the 70s version Label )

The outer Jacket is thin and printing looks faded out compared to the original. Some spine splits.

Record itself is slightly heavier than the 70s reissue.

 

I very much doubt this is made from the original tape. If it is, it's not a very well kept.

I was hoping this issue would sound good enough to replace my rather noisy original copy as well as, if this one works out, I was thinking replacing the Stokowski/Gould Emperor Concerto. But after this, forget it! I am better off keep looking for decent shape original issues or reissues even.

Posted on: 29 November 2013 by bluedog
Originally Posted by kuma:

The only way to know is to listen to them all.

It's very difficult to source teh SXL series Decca locally and I refused to take a bet on costly original on Ebay.

I own just one decent mono original Decca SXL. Self noise is relatively low and pitch stable. Nice natural midrange and the low register keys on the piano have the nice decays and bloom. The clarity can be improved upon but there is no sibilance or hard glazing in upper midrange.

Richard or Jay who are serious collector of old Deccas records would know more how they are compared to others.

www.classicrecords.co.uk

 

Check out this website and look at his lists - he has over 6,000 LP's in stock.  He lists them accurately and you can see immediately which 'generation' of SXL / LXT etc. that is on offer and how much the price differential is. Most expensive SXL's are early 'wide band' versions.  Generally speaking though, it's generally hard to go wrong with pre-digital Decca recordings - as the recordings worked their way through the catalogue they went from full price SXL's to mid priced JB (Jubilee) series.

Posted on: 29 November 2013 by kuma

bluedog,

 

Have you ordered anything from him before ?

Posted on: 30 November 2013 by bluedog
Originally Posted by kuma:

bluedog,

 

Have you ordered anything from him before ?

Yes - I've bought several times from Brett; his grading is pretty accurate and service is very good. He also has a Monks RCM so all records arrive clean. He has special sales from time to time if you're interested in buying the pricey stuff.  I generally find most of the output from Decca in the 60's - 80's were good pressings and usually first class recordings.

Posted on: 30 November 2013 by kuma

Thanks. 

 

That's nice to know they are reliable seller. I might give a shot. Which ones do you have?

 

With used record, it's always risky. Sounds like they play grade them tho.

Posted on: 01 December 2013 by bluedog
Originally Posted by kuma:

Thanks. 

 

That's nice to know they are reliable seller. I might give a shot. Which ones do you have?

 

With used record, it's always risky. Sounds like they play grade them tho.

I've collected a number of SXL's over the years. The Penguin Classical Guide from 1983 is one of my main references and I have tried to collect the rosette LP's when they have been available at a sensible price (many early SXL's are over £150 now).  I have a number of SXL's of piano music I've collected recently - including Ashkenazy and Curzon performing various Schubert works.  I've also bought other labels from Brett, of course, including a number of EMI's (again, avoiding the silly money stuff).

 

He carries around 6,000 LP's so I'm not sure he play grades them all.  I'm not sure where the definitive gradings are described - but when he says 'near mint' they always look very clean and shiny but have the occasional 'pop'.

Posted on: 01 December 2013 by kuma
 
Originally Posted by bluedog: but when he says 'near mint' they always look very clean and shiny but have the occasional 'pop'.

bluedog,

 

That's an excellent information. Thank you.

 

I'd love to hear the UK equivalent of Ravel's G Major Concerto.

It's in stereo and I have both copies of the US Blue Label and Red Angel label. Even between those pressings, the earlier Red Label sounds much better with less distortion and frequency limitations.

 

How's Klemperer's EMI pressing? I've got a ton of US Angels Alas, no UK pressings.

Posted on: 02 December 2013 by Richard Dane
Originally Posted by bluedog:
Originally Posted by yeti42:

I have a box of their complete Beethoven quartets and also the op18 ones as single LPs, the single LPs are the more engaging, presumable because they were an earlier pressing, though the box is by no means a dud.

Interesting how one finds variations between different generations of pressings.  There is certainly a hefty price premium on the earlier wide band SXL Deccas.

 

There are a few factors at play here;  the big one is rarity.  Stereo took much longer to catch on in the UK, so for most of the first half of the '60s the mono LXT issues hugely outsold the stereo SXL issues.  As such, the early SXL2000 series issues were only made in relatively small numbers, exascerbated by the fact that the big stereo market, the USA, didn't get Decca SXLs at all (because of the unaffiliated Decca label of the US) and instead they were marketed and sold as London FFSS. 

 

The other factor is down to the sound.  Decca had some of the finest recording engineers and they weren't held back in the same way as they were by the relatively conservative attitudes over at EMI.  They aimed for a very dynamic yet spacious sound and theatrical soundstaging became something of a hallmark.  Listen to some of the very early Decca opera recordings and you will hear this in its very pure essence.  In order to get this onto vinyl Decca stretched the technical boundaries as far as they could go; half speed mastering ensured that they could get an extended frequency response beyond the 12kHz limit of contemporary cutters and mixing the lowest frequencies down to mono gave much better low frequency performance as well as benefitting the entire range upwards.

 

Listen to the very earliest SXL2000 pressings today and they have a rather unique sound.  They can be a bit brash and lurid compared to a modern recording but they are full of life and a sense of the space - they seem to do an amazing trick of transporting you back in time, which I think is much of the appeal today.  Some of this was lost with later re-cuts.  I have some issues where I have collected every issue, re-issue and re-cut throughout the years and it's fascinating to hear the differences. 

Posted on: 02 December 2013 by bluedog
Originally Posted by kuma:
 
Originally Posted by bluedog: but when he says 'near mint' they always look very clean and shiny but have the occasional 'pop'.

bluedog,

 

That's an excellent information. Thank you.

 

I'd love to hear the UK equivalent of Ravel's G Major Concerto.

It's in stereo and I have both copies of the US Blue Label and Red Angel label. Even between those pressings, the earlier Red Label sounds much better with less distortion and frequency limitations.

 

How's Klemperer's EMI pressing? I've got a ton of US Angels Alas, no UK pressings.

I don't have any but I believe they are well regarded.  There are certainly some great EMI recordings from that era.

Posted on: 02 December 2013 by bluedog
Originally Posted by Richard Dane:
Originally Posted by bluedog:
Originally Posted by yeti42:

I have a box of their complete Beethoven quartets and also the op18 ones as single LPs, the single LPs are the more engaging, presumable because they were an earlier pressing, though the box is by no means a dud.

Interesting how one finds variations between different generations of pressings.  There is certainly a hefty price premium on the earlier wide band SXL Deccas.

 

There are a few factors at play here;  the big one is rarity.  Stereo took much longer to catch on in the UK, so for most of the first half of the '60s the mono LXT issues hugely outsold the stereo SXL issues.  As such, the early SXL2000 series issues were only made in relatively small numbers, exascerbated by the fact that the big stereo market, the USA, didn't get Decca SXLs at all (because of the unaffiliated Decca label of the US) and instead they were marketed and sold as London FFSS. 

 

The other factor is down to the sound.  Decca had some of the finest recording engineers and they weren't held back in the same way as they were by the relatively conservative attitudes over at EMI.  They aimed for a very dynamic yet spacious sound and theatrical soundstaging became something of a hallmark.  Listen to some of the very early Decca opera recordings and you will hear this in its very pure essence.  In order to get this onto vinyl Decca stretched the technical boundaries as far as they could go; half speed mastering ensured that they could get an extended frequency response beyond the 12kHz limit of contemporary cutters and mixing the lowest frequencies down to mono gave much better low frequency performance as well as benefitting the entire range upwards.

 

Listen to the very earliest SXL2000 pressings today and they have a rather unique sound.  They can be a bit brash and lurid compared to a modern recording but they are full of life and a sense of the space - they seem to do an amazing trick of transporting you back in time, which I think is much of the appeal today.  Some of this was lost with later re-cuts.  I have some issues where I have collected every issue, re-issue and re-cut throughout the years and it's fascinating to hear the differences. 

Fascinating insight - thanks Richard.

Posted on: 02 December 2013 by Richard Dane
Originally Posted by yeti42:

I have a box of their complete Beethoven quartets and also the op18 ones as single LPs, the single LPs are the more engaging, presumable because they were an earlier pressing, though the box is by no means a dud.

 

An interesting thing to note here is that this isn't always the case with boxes.  Sometimes a set would be the first issue and then in later years the re-issues would be done individually on single discs.  Phil Rees did some excellent research on this and published his Collectors guides back in the '90s.  Well worth getting hold of a copy if this interests you as he cross-references against reissues and US market issues.

Posted on: 02 December 2013 by kuma
Originally Posted by Richard Dane:

The other factor is down to the sound.  Decca had some of the finest recording engineers and they weren't held back in the same way as they were by the relatively conservative attitudes over at EMI.  They aimed for a very dynamic yet spacious sound and theatrical soundstaging became something of a hallmark.  Listen to some of the very early Decca opera recordings and you will hear this in its very pure essence.  In order to get this onto vinyl Decca stretched the technical boundaries as far as they could go; half speed mastering ensured that they could get an extended frequency response beyond the 12kHz limit of contemporary cutters and mixing the lowest frequencies down to mono gave much better low frequency performance as well as benefitting the entire range upwards.
Listen to the very earliest SXL2000 pressings today and they have a rather unique sound.  They can be a bit brash and lurid compared to a modern recording but they are full of life and a sense of the space - they seem to do an amazing trick of transporting you back in time, which I think is much of the appeal today.  Some of this was lost with later re-cuts.  I have some issues where I have collected every issue, re-issue and re-cut throughout the years and it's fascinating to hear the differences.

I have not heard this new Decca Sound Box Set ( with strange program selection ) but I bet these would sound inferior to the original pressing.

 

Interesting what you say about the EMI. I would love to listen to Klemperer's original releases on EMI. All my Angel pressings are fair to middlin' even when they are in a great shape. ( I guess that's why they are going for relatively cheap ) I have noticed some early stereo pressing can sound bright with suck out midrange compared to mono. In which case I just engage a mono button.

 

They have done some decent transfer and clean up for their Great Performance Series from the late 90s CDs. Some of them sounding better than my US Angel LPs. :/

 

 



Posted on: 21 December 2013 by kuma

This isn't the original DECCA but I have happened to run into the original Columbia pressing yesterday.

I have the US Angel reissue box set in later blue/silver label.

The condition of these records are exceptional without any visible marks anywhere.

Except one catch.

It's an Australian pressing. Not the original UK pressing.

Whilst they sound much better than the US blue/silver Angel records in terms of clarity and congestions, but still not as great as it should be. As a rule of thumb I usually avoid Austrian pressings as I have never had good sounding records out of them. ( same goes for Japan actually but I am sure there are  a few exceptions )

BummER~

Posted on: 31 December 2013 by HiFiKid

All

 

Bought Seasick Steve   Man from another time.  Poor muffled compressed sound on vinyl

 

Sonny Rollins    Way Out West   Considering this is back from 1957 remastered it is just natural and real superb to listen its a must buy the cd is good but not so spacious

 

Generally I find recent pressings are noisey and crackley

 

I have an original upstairs with Eric by Yazoo and a new Mobile fidelity copy and the original is far superior even after 30 years

Posted on: 31 December 2013 by kuma

Thanks HiFiKid.

 

Which Label produced the Seasick Steve album?

Sounds like they just put on 16/44 files onto a slab of vinyl and called it a day. :/

 

I certainly have a few of those...

 

And who's the reissue Label for Sonny Rollins?

Posted on: 01 January 2014 by Premmyboy
Originally Posted by Steve J:

Thanks for the review. It's possible the SQ is the result of not being able to use the original master which was found to have disintegrated. I think this is the main reason BOTT is the only Bob Dylan LP not to get the 45rpm treatment. The SQ of these is better than the original pressings IMO.

 

Steve

Not sure that is true. The cover states original master recording on it. To me it sounds better than my original uk pressing. Not as good as the 45rpm releases of Freewheelin & another side for sure but still very good. 

Posted on: 01 January 2014 by Steve J

You may be right but I did read that this was the case. I was disappointed that it wasn't released as a 45rpm and that's when I went searching for an explanation. I wish I had kept the link.

Posted on: 01 January 2014 by kuma

According to Fremer review, the new MOFI pressing does seem to have a different balance from the original pressing.

 

FWIW, it was remastered by Krieg Wunderlich. He also worked on James Taylor's JT which he took away transient  dynamics compared to the original pressing.

Posted on: 01 January 2014 by Premmyboy

If u do a yahoo search on Dylan mofi release schedule. Then look at the expectingrain link it has some further info on why blood on tracks is at 33 1/3. Sorry I can't just post the link bit of a techno phobe!!

Posted on: 09 March 2014 by Jay Coleman

New Music Matters 33rpm series. Superb. On par with the the 45 rpm reissues. I have not heard a bad one yet.

Posted on: 09 March 2014 by Jay Coleman

Analogue Productions new Living Stereo reissue. I do not like it.

 

It has neither the sweetness of the original or the clarity of the Classic. I does have some good bass, but the string tone is wrong and it loses the tune, as per usual with Chad.

 

A reissue for laying down, and avoiding.

Posted on: 09 March 2014 by kuma

Rats!

 

Does this mean you are not getting the Reiner's Lt. Kije?

 

Good news that Music Matter is releasing 33 rmp records.

Any other interesting upcoming titles?

Posted on: 11 March 2014 by mutterback

Has anyone tried this one - Emil Gilels Beethoven Piano Sonatas 30 & 31?  It is one of my all time favorite recordings.  I just noticed the dreaded (to me, at least) "Digital Recording" label on this image. Checked the CD, and it is indeed DDD.  So, very skeptical of a $40 reissue on vinyl.

Posted on: 11 March 2014 by kuma

mutterback,

 

Does your orignial DG pressing sound good?

 

When was this recorded and whos' the recording engineer on it?

 

I am curious about the DG's reissue too.

Posted on: 11 March 2014 by mutterback
Originally Posted by kuma:

mutterback,

 

Does your orignial DG pressing sound good?

 

When was this recorded and whos' the recording engineer on it?

 

I am curious about the DG's reissue too.

I just have the CD. Was recorded in 1985 in Jesus-Christus-Kirche in Berlin. "Recording Supervision" by Werner Mayer.

Posted on: 11 March 2014 by kuma

oh so it could have been a digital recording to begin with.

 

In which case, *if* they recorded it in high res format then put that file on a record, there is a chance, assuming production QC is high, the vinyl can sound better than your CD.

 

If they put on a red book file on the vinyl, you are better off with a CD. :/