Post your experience on Reissue Vinyl quality!

Posted by: kuma on 03 December 2011

We all know that not all reissues sound good. Some of them down right atrocious.

I thought this thread could be an interesting data bank to see various folks experience with new vinyls. ( good or bad )

I know that most of them are going to be hit and miss. But I would love to share the experience with others with outstanding reissues as well as Hall-O-Shame releases.

 

I'm gonna start from my recent purchase of...

Sony/BGM Reissue of Beethoven Symphony No.5: Glenn Gould:88697148061

This is a reissue of Columbia Masterworks MS7095 Made in EU

Sound Quality:

High self noise. Sounds veiled and laid back compared to my original reissue from the 70s ( orange/brown label )

It lost the presence and some note decays from the original pressing.

Packaging Quality:

Poor 4 process colour label compared to the original spot colour Label. Disapointing that they couldn't bother to reissue with the original 2 Eye label. ( used the 70s version Label )

The outer Jacket is thin and printing looks faded out compared to the original. Some spine splits.

Record itself is slightly heavier than the 70s reissue.

 

I very much doubt this is made from the original tape. If it is, it's not a very well kept.

I was hoping this issue would sound good enough to replace my rather noisy original copy as well as, if this one works out, I was thinking replacing the Stokowski/Gould Emperor Concerto. But after this, forget it! I am better off keep looking for decent shape original issues or reissues even.

Posted on: 10 February 2012 by glevethan

Correction - not the Decca box - the new Mercury box.

Oh well!

Posted on: 10 February 2012 by Steve J

 

US Rhino RTI pressing. SQ pretty good and very near to that of a 1st press. Packaging good. Only gripe is an off centred record label on side 2. Not a bad price at £12.99 + P&P.

Posted on: 10 February 2012 by kuma

Thanks Steve.

 

When you say '1st press', you mean a UK pressing not the US pressing right?

 

Cuz, there is a difference in how UK and US pressing sound. ( Hypothesis is that usually the original mater tape does not leave the country of origin and/or a different EQ applied depending on the particular taste of target audience. )

 

 

p.s. is that a Chris Bellman/Bernie Grundman remaster?

Posted on: 10 February 2012 by Richard Dane
Gregg, that requires some consideration. Probably best after the weekend. Half term here so all time devoted to a weekend with my daughter and friends.

However, off the top of my head, two that will definitely make it; kertesz's kodaly on sxl6136 (I think but memory may not be perfect on sxl no.) and Borodin quartet's Borodin and shostakovitch on sxl... Can't remember the no. Will check after the weekend. On the road right now. Oh and argenta 's espana on sxl2020. THE classic decca disc, bar none.
Posted on: 10 February 2012 by digger628
 
 
Great thread Kuma but it will probably cost me an arm and a leg to read it!
 
I've also found buying re-issue vinyl to be a hit or miss proposition - more misses than hits unfortunately.  The results are often so bad that one is left to wonder if those responsible even bothered to listen to the originals before they ruined them - the Sundazed Highway 61 Revisited being a prime example.  I've also been burned by the Four (deaf) Men With Beards a couple of times.  I'm willing to believe that there may be some titles from thse two that are good but I prefer not to sped the money required to find them.  So I'm glad to have an opportunity to hear reports from those who've sampled some before I have and I'm pleased to see that for the most part, the impressions conveyed here coincide with my own.
 
I'd have to agree with Steve J that the Analogue Production 45's are amazing - as they should be at those prices!  So good that it's my only cause for regret after going with the Armageddon.  In fact 45 SQ is good enough that I continue to buy the really desirable titles and have started to put money aside for a Radikal upgrade.
 
I wonder if anyone has heard the Classic Records reissue of The Who's My Generation.  Sounds promising but sealed copies go for big money these days.  It was one of those released in two different weights (200g and 150g) so I wonder if there might be a difference.  Like you Kuma, I have often noticed that the thinner copies sound better - not sure why.
 
 
 
 
Originally Posted by Steve J:

 

Classic Records 200g Mono Blue Note.

 

Just received today. Another great BN reissue on CR. These MONO reissues have a great soundstage. Quality recording and SQ. As usual the packaging is also very good. I paid £24 for this, CR albums are still there for a reasonable price if you look.

 

Steve

 

 

Steve,

 

Just wondering if this one measured up to the other CR Blue Notes you've heard.  Also, I'd be interested to know if you've had a listen to CR's Blue Note reissue of Horace Silver and the Jazz Messengers.  Great album but I don't want to get it if the SQ isn't good on the reissue.

Posted on: 10 February 2012 by kuma
Originally Posted by digger628:
Great thread Kuma but it will probably cost me an arm and a leg to read it!

I've also found buying re-issue vinyl to be a hit or miss proposition - more misses than hits unfortunately.

digger628,

The idea is that alert people so that we don't waste our hard-earned on bad reissues!

Like you, I was miffed when I got the Sony reissue of Gould's Beethoven 5th. It really is a garbage. ( this is your equivalent to the Highway 61, I suppose ) Just because it's on vinyl does not mean it's better. Hyped up marketing doesn't make easy to weed out bad from the good ones.

 

I'd have to agree with Steve J that the Analogue Production 45's are amazing - as they should be at those prices!  So good that it's my only cause for regret after going with the Armageddon.  In fact 45 SQ is good enough that I continue to buy the really desirable titles and have started to put money aside for a Radikal upgrade.

I thought of that too before I moved from Lingo to 'Geddon to see if I miss the 45s. After a while, it just became a nuisance having to get up too often. But yeah.. all those Evans ( I have them all ) or that said Hancock or Drew, they are pretty darn good in that they don't have me wonder about the original pressings. I might spring for Ella in Berlin in 45s if they came out in mono. ( stereo pressing isn't very good on this album for some reasons )

I haven't encountered really bad records out of them and their QC are pretty consistent. So little short of buying up a mint original, not a bad investment.

50$ for a record isn't cheap but if the sound and production quality are there, that's fair. Where I have a problem is  where most of $$ going into a spiffy packaging but using a questionable source material. ( and don't tell the consumer when they use a poor source. This is definitely a buyers be aware situation )

 

I wonder if anyone has heard the Classic Records reissue of The Who's My Generation.  Sounds promising but sealed copies go for big money these days.  It was one of those released in two different weights (200g and 150g) so I wonder if there might be a difference.  Like you Kuma, I have often noticed that the thinner copies sound better - not sure why.

I hope someone will share their experience with the record for you. I have the 'Who are you' and 'Who's next' but not 'My Generation' I wasn't even aware Classic Records released that title.

Posted on: 11 February 2012 by Steve J

Hi Digger,

 

I generally have had good experiences with the Classic Records reissues. I have about 15 now and have yet to be disappointed. They are mostly Blue Note jazz and rock; Led Zeppelin and Jethro Tull. Where I have original 1st press issues, these have proven to be slightly superior (the rock albums) except for the '45 Jethro Tull Aqualung which is far superior to the original. With the jazz reissues I don't have 1st presses to compare but the CR albums are better than some of the '70s and later Blue Note reissues that I have. I have no experience of the Who album you mention but I seem to remember it had good reviews elsewhere.

 

By the way, save hard for that Radikal. It will be one of the best upgrades you can make for your LP12 aside from the fact you can play '45s.

 

ATB

 

Steve

Posted on: 11 February 2012 by Jay Coleman
Digger: I have the Classic Who My Generation. It is excellent. I don't have an original to compare and given the price of originals I am not likely to ever. I also have Quadrophenia and Tommy, which are excellent, and Who's Next, which was good and had more bass than my MCA "original" but lacked sparkle and was overall "darker" in comparison to the MCA. Jay Jay
Posted on: 11 February 2012 by Steve J

When you say '1st press', you mean a UK pressing not the US pressing right?

 

Cuz, there is a difference in how UK and US pressing sound. ( Hypothesis is that usually the original mater tape does not leave the country of origin and/or a different EQ applied depending on the particular taste of target audience. )

 

 

p.s. is that a Chris Bellman/Bernie Grundman remaster?


 

UK 1st press and yes its the Bellman/Grundman remaster.

 

Steve

 
 
Posted on: 11 February 2012 by digger628
Originally Posted by Jay Coleman:
Digger: I have the Classic Who My Generation. It is excellent. I don't have an original to compare and given the price of originals I am not likely to ever. I also have Quadrophenia and Tommy, which are excellent, and Who's Next, which was good and had more bass than my MCA "original" but lacked sparkle and was overall "darker" in comparison to the MCA. Jay Jay

Thanks Jay.  Guess I will have to start searching for a reasonably priced copy.

Posted on: 11 February 2012 by mrclick
Originally Posted by digger628:
.......  Guess I will have to start searching for a reasonably priced copy.

Hi Digger

 

I was going to chip in re the quality of the Classic My Generation release but have been ably beaten to it by Jay. I am a Who nut and found my 200g copy just last year. It is brilliant and for an in depth review please read the Fremer review here:

 

http://musicangle.com/album.php?id=329

 

More to the point you can get a copy from a UK record store site which I have used a lot. They are reliable and helpful and seem to have stuff I can't find much anywhere else. They have a new 150g copy for just £16.80. Yes, that is correct. It may be their last one. Here they are:

 

https://www.redsparkmusic.com/

 

Good luck and let us know how you get on and what you think.

 

Click

Posted on: 11 February 2012 by Gale 401
Originally Posted by mrclick:
Originally Posted by digger628:
.......  Guess I will have to start searching for a reasonably priced copy.

Hi Digger

 

I was going to chip in re the quality of the Classic My Generation release but have been ably beaten to it by Jay. I am a Who nut and found my 200g copy just last year. It is brilliant and for an in depth review please read the Fremer review here:

 

http://musicangle.com/album.php?id=329

 

More to the point you can get a copy from a UK record store site which I have used a lot. They are reliable and helpful and seem to have stuff I can't find much anywhere else. They have a new 150g copy for just £16.80. Yes, that is correct. It may be their last one. Here they are:

 

https://www.redsparkmusic.com/

 

Good luck and let us know how you get on and what you think.

 

Click

 

 

David,

Can you mail that site to me please?

Dont ask why? bloody computers.

Stu.

Posted on: 11 February 2012 by Gale 401

Thanks David.

Its just come through on my iTouch.

Stu.

Posted on: 11 February 2012 by Jay Coleman
Originally Posted by Richard Dane:

Jay,

 

my memory is a bit rusty on some of them, and really they're are no clunkers (I guess they wouldn't be reissuing them if they were)  but the ones that stand out on top of the aforementioned Ravel disc are; Ansermet's Prokofiev & Borodin on SXL2292, Schubert Octet on SXL2028, The Kirsten Flagstad Sibelius recital, Kertesz's Dvorak Symphony No.8, and the Solti Elektra.  The latter two are easily found second-hand in good condition, so you may be best off getting originals of those instead - SQ is very high.  However, note that none of them would find their way into my Decca top 10.

 

The Ansermet's are much harder to find, and usually expensive to buy second-hand.  Same for the Schubert Octet and the Sibelius.  As for Joan Sutherland, I'm afraid I'm just not such a great fan so hard to be totally objective...

Richard:

 

Thank, as always, for your insight.

 

I cant wait to see you top 10 Deccas as Gregg asked! (Actually, I can wait. Enjoy the holiday with your daughter).

 

Jay

Posted on: 11 February 2012 by Jay Coleman

I just listened to Leonid Kogan performing the Brahms Violin Concerto on Testament reissue.

 

 

It is excellent in both sound and playing. Kogan really seems to give it his all, which is something you cannot really say of Heifetz, whom I love, but Heifetz definitely tries to make it seem as if it's easy (which it certainly is not).

 

Kogan originals are big money. I think I will snap up the remaining Testament reissues while they are available.

Posted on: 11 February 2012 by Jay Coleman

 

BORODIN & SHOSTAKOVICH STRING QUARTETS NOS. 2 & 8 180g LP

 

Speakers Corner.

 

Wow!

 

Thanks, Richard, for pointing this one out. I already had it, but hadn't listened to it much.

 

 

 

Posted on: 11 February 2012 by kuma
Originally Posted by Jay Coleman:

It is excellent in both sound and playing. Kogan really seems to give it his all, which is something you cannot really say of Heifetz, whom I love, but Heifetz definitely tries to make it seem as if it's easy (which it certainly is not).

Thanks Jay.

I have been wondering about EMI Testament reissues since their CD Testament reissues are pretty good.

I might give this one a try if you think it sounds ok. I am not familiar with Kogan but I like Kondrashin.

There are a several albums I am eyeing on including Cluyten's Ravel Box Set. I'm wondering how they are soundwise.

Posted on: 12 February 2012 by Jay Coleman

Kuma:

The Kogan sounds great. I just ordered the remaining Kogans on Testament (Tchaikovsky,  Beethoven, Mozart).

 

I have the Cluytens box set. It sounds very good but I have never warmed to it. There is no single performance in that box that is my "go to" performance for any Ravel work. That being said, I should probably give it another listen since it has been a while.

 

In general I have have been very pleased with Testament. The particular standout is the Guido Cantelli Beethoven 7th Symphony.

 

 

Jay

Posted on: 12 February 2012 by kuma
Originally Posted by Jay Coleman:
In general I have have been very pleased with Testament. The particular standout is the Guido Cantelli Beethoven 7th Symphony.

Jay,

Cantelli's Beethoven 7th is one of my favourite performance! ( No surprise, perhaps, since I also love Toscanini's Beethoven Cycle )

Regarding the Cluytens, I love his Ravel's Piano Concerto with Samson François so naturally I am curious about the rest of his Ravel repertoire.

Thanks for the heads up on Testament Cantelli pressing. I will look for it now.

Posted on: 12 February 2012 by digger628
Originally Posted by mrclick:

 

More to the point you can get a copy from a UK record store site which I have used a lot. They are reliable and helpful and seem to have stuff I can't find much anywhere else. They have a new 150g copy for just £16.80. Yes, that is correct. It may be their last one. Here they are:

 

https://www.redsparkmusic.com/

 

Good luck and let us know how you get on and what you think.

 

Click

Thanks so much Mr. Click!  Ordered it just now.  Shipping to Canada was almost as much as the album but that's OK.  Very happy to get it.

Posted on: 12 February 2012 by Jay Coleman

Jay,

Thanks for the clarification.

Sp, what's your beef with the reissue? Just so that we are talking about the same thing, the ones my friend bought are the Analogue Production (APP 9135 )


Kuma:

 

I don't think I responded to this. That's the one. It lacked life, detail, sparkle, really everything, compared to the A&M. It is not terrible in itself but is terrible by comparison.


Jay

Posted on: 12 February 2012 by kuma

Jay,

Thanks for your reply. I'll give them a listen again when I have an opportunity. Honestly I can't remember a thing except asking the *guys* in the room they like this kind of music and they all said yes. ( 'Tea for the Tillerman' isn't my cup of tea ) :x

Here's 'nother example of Puréed music.

 

Abandoned Luncheonette: Hall & Oates

Label: Friday Music

Numbered Limited-Edition Gatefold Jacket/ 180-gram LP / FRM-7269 US
Re-mastering by: Joe Reagoso at Friday Music Studios From the original Atlantic tapes and at Capitol Records in Hollywood, CA
Release date: 2011


Sound Quality:
This album contains their mega hit 'She's gone'. I have the original US Atlantic issue and infamous '82 MOFI release of the same title. Both of them have some sonic issues but I generally like the original for a catchy groovey intro of 'She's gone'.

The Friday Music is one of the label that makes a huge deal out of it's 180g * audiophile* vinyl. You go to their website the 180g sticker is everywhere.  The sound of this album cleans up some issues I have with the original ( mainly on the trebles and pronounced sibilance which also present on the MOFI issue ), but the whole presentation is just too lack back. Where did that groovy bass line go? Original is much more visceral with clearly deliniated base line. The vocal has a stronger presense where this reissue sounds a tad gray. Altho, I am hearing more details, due to a lower self noise, and less congestions but dynamics are out of the window.

So, what we have is a pretty picture with no guts. Everything is beautified and pureed but gives me not much to chew on. They might have gotten the original maser tape but I don't agree with the sonic decisions the engineer made.

Packaging Quality:
Thick spine ( double from the original ) and

180 GRAM Audiophile Vinyl

  'PHILLY RULES!' on the dead wax. ( cute ) Sturdy paper stock and excellent printing quality. Friday Music logo on both the outer jacket and the label.

Posted on: 16 February 2012 by Jay Coleman

Does anyone have any familiarity with HI-Q records? They are apparently reissuing classical EMI recordings (like Testament) and claim to be cutting from the original master tapes.

 

Thanks.

 

Jay

Posted on: 16 February 2012 by kuma

Jay,

 

A Hi-Q Muti's 'Pictures at an Exhibition/The Firebird' should be arriving tomorrow.

This isn't a Testament reissue but I was curious about HI-Q Records so decided to give it shot. 

 

Any other informations on this label?

Posted on: 17 February 2012 by digger628

Sounds promising according to this item on the web, but only a listen will tell I guess:

 

"Quietly launched last year, this outfit has produced some very fine-
sounding disks.  All titles cut at Abbey Road Studios from the
original stereo analogue master tapes with the Neumann VMS80 lathe fed
an analogue pre-cut signal from a specially adapted Studer A80 tape
deck with additional playback head.  Pressed on 180-gram vinyl on
original EMI presses at The Vinyl Factory in Hayes, England."

 

Let us know Kuma.