Software Set Up fot PC & Mac to NDX

Posted by: HuwJ on 08 December 2011

My new NDX arrives tomorrow. I borrowed one recently and let it set itself up for basic play. It picked up all my songs on my PC via wired Ethernet. I used the iPod to control the player. The thing that I most noticed was that it was all a bit clunky - both my FLAC library and my iTunes library were listed and it was hard to say which song was playing (the hi quality FLAC or lower quality iTunes rip). Cover art was showing for the song being played but not for the album in the album list.

 

I have all my CDs on my Macbook Pro as well as my PC and would also like to be able to plug that in on occasion.

 

So, to my questions:

- how do I direct the NDX to see only the FLAC directory on my PC (Win 7) and Lossless on my Mac (Lion)?

- which software should I use for making playlists that can be seen and used by the NDX?

- I have Window Media player with FLAC play enabled via a download. Is this sufficient for a UPNP server, or should I download other software - I have Mediamonkey and Winamp too?

- Do you have the ability to control what is playing on the NDX from the software on the PC or Mac or only from the zapper or iPad/pod (as you do on Squeezebox)?

- Is the set up for the Squeezebox Server to be played via NDX obviously straight forward or does it require a good understanding of the product - for instance, how do you direct it to the NDX?

- which software provides the best cover art to n-stream? My artwork is folder.jpg or cover.jpg - is there a best title for cover art when using n-stream?

 

Thanks in advance for your input.

Huw

Posted on: 08 December 2011 by aysil

Huw,

- NDX does not detect music files; it detects the servers on the network. You should make the settings in your server, not on NDX, to "see" only the folders you want to use.

- All covered folders as well as existing playlists on the servers will be reached by NDX.

- WMP has a UPnP server and is sufficient, but I am not sure if it is the best option. One server on the network is enough to cover all your music files in your both computers.

- You can control your NDX with any UPnP control point. This could be n-stream (or other software) on your iPod, and yes, any UPnP control point software on your computer (like Kinsky)

Other members can answer your last questions better.

Posted on: 09 December 2011 by HuwJ

Thank you aysil.

 

I ripped my CDs using dbpoweramp. They have been saved as follows:

 

Sqeezebox\Artist (Al Green)\album (Lay it Down)\Track (Al Green - Lay it Down - 02 - Just For Me) & Cover.jpg

 

I have a few hundred albums ripped. about 10 that I ripped a long time ago show up as an album with the correct art and tracks associated. They are in the same folder tree in the same way but are MPEG-4 Audio (.m4a) and the art seems embedded. The rest of the songs are seen as one unknown album. Is there an easy fix for this in Media Player? MediaMonkey seems to show each album correctly.

 

Regards

Huw

Posted on: 09 December 2011 by ernie

Are your Flac files tagged correctly? If not: Mediamonkey might use the filenames to fill up the missing tags. I don't know if media player as an option to use filenames too.

 

But i do have a equal question: Is there a possibility to control the streamer (in my case a superuniti) directly from a pc with a comfortable software? Kinsky can play just play the song you click at - no complete album or playlist.

 

The file filter is a very good question too. In winamp i can filter the libary for any kind and create just more sub-libaries. e.g. one with filer for lossless or audiobooks, etc. It seems that i would have to use two or more servers running to have that divided on the streamer. Does anybody know if there is a possibility to control the streamer just with winamp or something equal?

 

p.s. please excuse my non native english level

Posted on: 09 December 2011 by aysil

ernie, kinsky plays also complete albums or playlists.

Posted on: 09 December 2011 by ernie

ok, thanks for that info. I will retry kinsky. When i used kinsky to try the superuniti at home prior to my purchase it always stopped playing after a single track and never played further through the list on the right side.

Posted on: 09 December 2011 by pcstockton
Originally Posted by ernie:

But i do have a equal question: Is there a possibility to control the streamer (in my case a superuniti) directly from a pc with a comfortable software?

J River Media Center.  Worth every single penny.

 

Killer forum support, most powerful database player around.

 

-Patrick

Posted on: 11 December 2011 by ernie

thanks again for you hint with J River. That works perfectly (except gapless). Nevertheless i just got myself a iPod touch. I tried some UPnP Servers at Win7 and it turned out that Asset UPnP is quite perfect. You can set this program up for any sorting you want. So i can order the album cover art view list for artists too. An it will add the Tracknumbers also with the Trackname. And further more it allows you to add also the artist name behind the album name - so no more mess with more albums named "Hits", "Best of", etc. Each of them is separated in their own album. And one more: If you go for artists: It combines similar artists to one, eg. A-Ha, A-ha, a-ha - its all A-Ha now. I could'nt get those results with any other UPnP server. Im fine now with J River and the n-Stream with Asset UPnP (except no playlist creation on n-stream). Cover art works fine between n-stream and Asset UPnP and its ultra sharp on the iPod touch. My covers are not attached in the tag, they are just in the folders as folder.jpg.

Posted on: 11 December 2011 by HuwJ

It's been a long weekend spent getting servers to work with my NDX.

 

I downloaded MP3Tag to get WMP12 to see my albums correctly, although you still have to go through a lot of the albums to get cover art and the correct songs. Xiph supplied the FLAC Codecs. I was not impressed to find the WMP has no native FLAC support or any built in ability to read Tags on FLAC files - the way you read articles on the net you sort of expect most software, besides ITunes to cope with FLAC. 

 

I now have the FLAC files showing on both n-stream and WMP12. The problem now is that it won't actually play them (wants to swear at this point, but holds back). When I try to play them from either n-stream or Plat To... on WMP the song just tries to connect for ever. I seem to have the server on and can not work out what the problem might be. Any help appreciated.

 

Plan B has been to download JRiver Media Player. That did good things from the cover art point of view and Media Server worked fine. Except that it was converting tracks to MP3s at 320kbits. I eventually managed to stop that after a lot of looking around - what a stupid way to go about streaming - surely you fix incompatibilty not assume everything will be incompatible first - anyway, sorted now and working quite well. The game with streaming seems to be 'fis one problem and find yu have another'!! It turns out the cover art gets moved between albums - I have no idea how to fix it, Artists works fine and displays correctly, on the other hand Albums mode assign art 1 album too far down the list. Anyone else seen this and know the answer?

 

I'm not really too keen on buying JRiver if I can get WMP12 working as I have no use for all the extras.

 

Something else I've noticed is that it takes a fair amount of time to populate n-stream, is there a faster application available?

 

Any other server I should try?

 

Regards

Huw

 

Posted on: 11 December 2011 by pcstockton

Huw,

 

Yes, the default DLNA setting is to transcode to mp3.  I think they do this so you can at least get going easily as some renderers dont accept all codecs.

 

Try using My River app for J River Remote Control.  It isn't a UPNP Control Point.  It is dedicated to JRiver and works wonderfully.  Similar to how Apple Remote is dedicated to iTunes.

 

Trust me, if you care to have easy tagging and a great server with unlimited power and exemplary forum support, drop the $50.

 

-Patrick

Posted on: 11 December 2011 by HuwJ

I'll give the remote a shot.

 

Still no luck with WMP though.