Whitebear - Squeezebox -> UPnP

Hi, there is a squeezebox forum which may give you help. Are you running an old version of squeezebox server or have you updated to Logitech Media server? I thought that media server was UPnF and so you would not need the whitebear application.

Sorry I can't be any more help.

Squeezebox server 7.6.1 apparently. Whitebear is supposed to enable this to be used by a UPnP media player as well as working the other way round as it were.

Mind you, I haven't got a clue really. Probably something to do with ports....

What are those James?

Hi Salmon Dave

You need to update your squeezebox server to the latest version here http://www.mysqueezebox.com/download

This latest server acts as a UPnP media player that should be recognised by your ND5XS.  It is what I am using with my ND5XS and it works fine.

Good luck

Hi

I've just downloaded Logitech Media Server as recommended and the ND5 still doesn't recognise it. Worse, the Media Server spends forever scanning my photos etc which I don't need it to. Aarghh!

Believe me, it will work if you set it up right. It is definitely activated? Make sure the directories it is set to scan are set for just music and not photos videos etc. I have found that if you shutdown the laptop with the server (ie you shut the lid), you need to restart the LMS. Otherwise it is fine.

Another little question: how are your ND5 and computer with the LMS connected?

Ethernet cable from ND5 to broadband hub (works fine - internet radio on immediately); ethernet cable from broadband hub to PC (works fine - internet etc OK). Logitech Media Server running, showing the music files (and the irritatingly irrelevant pictorials). ND5 on UPnP - <no servers>.

factory reset did it 4 me

In advanced settings you can easily deselect the pictures for your library in Advanced Settings > Basic Settings and it will not consider them next time you do a scan. Whilst you are there, check the Plug-Ins tabs and make sure that the UPnP/DNLA plug-in is actually installed; I believe that by default it is not. 

So, your music library is on the PC - you have no NAS? The only network components are the PC, the ND5 and the router? If this is the case, and it appears two UPnP/DNLA servers haven't worked, then you should also check the firewall settings on the PC. I had to make a change to mine (Sophos) to allow requests from devices on the same LAN.

Chris - thanks for your support!

I knew I'd get pilloried for my stone-age attitude to streaming! Yes, I'm 'dipping my toes' with the family PC, then will add a NAS etc as and when I get this working and am satisfied with the sound (and more to the point, the practicality of it). Anyway... it is one of the system configurations in the ND5XS manual!

My Logitech Media Server control panel has an Advanced tab with very little functionality - no Basic Setting or Plug-in tabs. Actually the 'Web-based interface' bit is disabled (???). This is version 7.7.1 downloaded a few days ago.

You're probably right about the PC's firewall - I'll check it out later. Maybe an inexpensive NAS would be a good interim solution though.

Dave,

On the Advanced tab there is a button labelled "Advanced Settings" - if you click on this, you should see the Basic Settings and Plug-In tabs on the screen that pops-up.

The "Web-Based Interface" won't work because it is for controlling Squeezeboxes and you have not got one.

I am also using 7.7.1.

The firewall is certainly something to check as it definitely is capable of stopping devices being visible to each other.

It's the Advanced Settings tab which is non-enabled (within the Web-based box).

Also, just checked the Windows Firewall - Logitech MS tps and UPnP are unblocked OK.

OK but they are both applications on the local machine, we also need to make sure the Firewall allows access from other devices on the same network.

One way to test whether it is a firewall issue is to disconnect the router from the internet, switch the firewall off, stop and restart LMS. Can the ND5 see the server now? If it can, it's definitely a firewall issue. Obviously, you should switch the firewall back on before reconnecting the internet.

I don't use the Windows firewall but you can set it to Home, Work or Public with varying levels of security (at least this is how it is in the Vista version). It needs to be home or work. 

Well, I was picking up mysqueezebox.com/slimserver on the Squeezebox Classic when I had that installed.

I'm still baffled why I can't access the options you mention on the LMS Advanced tab. Also the input for mysqueezbox account info is un-enabled as well, though I can log into my account on the net. I suspect this may be the problem.

When you say disconnect the router from the net, not quite sure what you mean - as I said there is just the hub providing a join between the PC and the ND5 - plug the ND5 directly into the PC?

I'm a bit surprised that the Advanced button is unavailable. I've played with mine and it is only greyed-out when the server isn't running. It's a bit of a silly question but it does say "Status: the server is running" on the status tab?

Your broadband router must be plugged in to a phone socket to connect to the internet; it's this I am suggesting you unplug - leave everything else plugged as it is - before disabling the firewall.

When you are installing Squeezeserver, it deals with firewall issues relating to Squeezeboxes, which is why you previously had no problems. It doesn't deal with FW issues relating to other network devices such as NAS drives or the Naim ND5.

Chris

Chris

Not a silly question - I was working on the assumption that changing settings with it not running would be more efficient! So now I have the tabs enabled and the media files set to music only, with the UPnP already plugged in and I've removed some other plug-ins I'm pretty sure I won't need in this (simplified) context. Haven't had time to try you firewall suggestion yet.

No, mainly due to the fact that I (not the PC) am suffering from a seasonal virus!

I switched the Windows Firewall off after unplugging BT, no change. I didn't think it would make a difference as the Firewall says UPnP is allowed (or 'not an exception'). I also have Norton antivirus running but I think it may be the BT Homehub as I previously had to open ports on this to enable Squeezebox after it had changed from one version to another. Would this be active with the line disconnected?

Dave

Which OS are you using? I'm using Vista and if I go to the Start button and then Network I can see the ND5 there; can you? The Logitech media server also appears there.

Certainly, if one of the ports you are using is deactivated it won't work. One cheap way round this would be to get a cheap network switch (Netgear do a good one for about £20 FS108) and plug it in to the router port currently occupied by the PC. Plug the ND5 and your PC in to 2 of the other spare ports on the switch. The port to port performance of the "free" routers from ISP's is often poor and this would sort your router issues and give you better performance at the same time. If you search this forum or the Linn one, you'll see it commonly recommended.

Thanks Chris, I had thought about a network switch but it seems the best option to circumvent the BT box. The NS605 is newer and has enough sockets. Will continue when it arrives!

I was so nearly there...

Went to Maplins and bought their £20 box, the TP-link which has enough inputs. Set up with just the PC and the ND5, the ND5 found the Logitech server immediately. Selected a track and listened to a few minutes, then went over to plug in broadband and check the radio - OK. Back to UPnP - <no servers> ! Fiddled around with cables, nothing. Stopped and then restarted LMS and it again found it and displayed all tracks. This time, however, it plays a nanosecond of music before 'input initialising' going back to top of tree. Tab through the inputs on the ND5 and back to UPnP - <no servers>. Aarghh!

The switch should have solved the problem. The ND5 can't be affected by broadband nasties as radio has been fine from day 1.