What are you listening to and WHY might anyone be interested? (Vol.VIII)
Posted by: Richard Dane on 29 December 2011
With 2012 almost upon us, it's time to start a fresh thread. I've gone back to an earlier thread title because often the "why" is the most interesting part of the post.
Anyway, links:
Volume VII: https://forums.naimaudio.com/di...6878604287751/page/1
Volume VI: https://forums.naimaudio.com/di...ent/1566878604097229
Volume V: https://forums.naimaudio.com/di...ent/1566878605140495
Volume IV: https://forums.naimaudio.com/di...ent/1566878605795042
Volume III: https://forums.naimaudio.com/di...ent/1566878607309474
Volume II: https://forums.naimaudio.com/di...ent/1566878606245043
Volume I: https://forums.naimaudio.com/di...ent/1566878607464290
On CD
Doug, have you heard this album? I'd be interested in what you think. For me, the jury is still out, the pianism is there but it sometimes feels notes fall in the wrong slot. Could be a matter of getting used to - I've tried reading the score but all that gave me was an understanding why the work is considered among the most difficult keyboard works ever written. And they say Ravel himself was only a modestly capable pianist...
Cheers,
EJ
EJ, I ordered this prior to its release but it is unfortunately being held back due to some other backorders in the group. I can't wait to hear it though. Of course, I am not the guy who buys only one pre-1960 recording of a work based on the wisdom of the 1984 Penguin Guide (or earlier) to have the one and only sanctioned recording ever. As good as they may be I find my views of music are not static and constantly evolve. I like the bench marks too but for me it is dangerous, if not mind numbing, to listen exclusively to one recording and just stop there. I am always searching for a new and musically interesting interpretation.
I can understand why some may have reservations with Vinnitskaya. In a world of preconditioned perfection in recordings, a wrong note can be off-putting to many. Sadly, many in this day and age think that every time you play something it can only be perfect. Truthfully, there is nothing that repels me more than slick, glossy, packaged product and image where you can't distinguish one from the next. She is still young but I already hear something in her character, heart and style that attracts me. It is deeper and darker and has dimension to it.
I happened to be just thinking of this yesterday so I'll bring it up. In contrast, one can be initially stunned and taken in by someone like the internet phenom Valentina Lisitsa. A phenomenal player in her own right. It is hard sometimes not to be affected by the force of some individuals. When the smoke clears though, I personally have yet to feel the same passion and connection to the inner voice of music with Lisitsa in the same way as I do with Vinnitskaya (which was almost immediate with me). This has more to do with my personality than anything else though. I like the body language of Vinnitskaya when she plays, as it is very telling. She has a greater vision and the notes are not just the means to an end. When Lisitsa plays she strikes me as shallower and more focused on technical perfection than music making. When Vinnitskaya connects it results in reaching for a hanky and feeling engaged emotion. This seems to me to be the whole point of listening to music.
As a pianist, I wear two hats as a listener. I am usually first attracted to what I hear first. I remember in my younger days the various points of enlightenment where I heard something for the first time and the hairs on my neck stood straight up. Following this is a lifetime of asking how I can play this with the same effect so this leads to studying the score and then work your whole life to technically accomplish this. Gaspard de la nuit is just one example of a master piece that requires olympian mastery and skill to play. I am in awe of anyone who even attempts to play music like this. Even following a score while listening takes a great deal of effort to keep up let alone how this is all being executed with only ten fingers. A recuring nightmare of mine would be to be the page turner for someone playing this. Why bother sitting down as you'll be flipping a page every 7 seconds. If you get lost you'll never find your way back in...
What I really marvel at though is how a composer like Ravel was able to translate his vision to a score when he likely couldn't play it like we so easily hear in any recording.
Vinyl
First spin - three early cantatas, from around the time Bach undertook his famous long walk to visit Buxtehude. Really good music, Bach at his best.
Cheers,
EJ
EJ, you have perked my curiousity with these Mirare recordings with Ricercar Consort / Philippe Pierlot. What is your overall take on these recordings?
Doug,
I don't think I ever saw you post the same album twice, what I call 'a galactic collection' !!
Playing cd's no. 8, 9, and 10...
Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
Piano Trio no.1 in E flat
Piano Trio no.2 in G
14 variations in E flat
Piano Trio no.3 in C minor
Piano Trio no.6 in B flat "Archduke"
Piano Trio in B flat Wo039
Piano Trio in B flat Hess 84
Piano Trio no.4 in D "Ghost"
Piano Trio no.5 in E flat
10 variations in G on "Ich bin der Schneider Kalcadu"
Pinchas Zuckerman violin
Jacqueline du Pre cello
David Barenboim piano
Recordings from No.1 Studio, Abbey Road, London 1969 & 1970
EMI classics 17 x CD box-set © 2007
Mates of State - Mountaintops
Indie pop. One of those couple duos that has been around for a while. Have a few older albums and I like how the band has evolved. 2nd play today.
Haim, would it be wrong for me to go out of my way to prove you wrong?
Playing cd's no. 8, 9, and 10...
Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
Piano Trio no.1 in E flat
Piano Trio no.2 in G
14 variations in E flat
Piano Trio no.3 in C minor
Piano Trio no.6 in B flat "Archduke"
Piano Trio in B flat Wo039
Piano Trio in B flat Hess 84
Piano Trio no.4 in D "Ghost"
Piano Trio no.5 in E flat
10 variations in G on "Ich bin der Schneider Kalcadu"
Pinchas Zuckerman violin
Jacqueline du Pre cello
David Barenboim piano
Recordings from No.1 Studio, Abbey Road, London 1969 & 1970
EMI classics 17 x CD box-set © 2007
Debs, I spent a bit a time with this one last week as well. I was spurred on by watching this video which I found very interesting. Of course, they play to the camera a little but one part where they all switch instruments and start jamming was very funny. I think it reflects back to a pre-internet age where life was simpler and maybe even more fun.
http://www.gramophone.co.uk/Ha...ArtistPage/Barenboim
I actually enjoyed all the videos that go along with the Hall of Famers listed here.
Doug
The Shins - Port of Morrow
Lynyrd Skynyrd concert via BBC iPlayer.
Managed to get the NAP 500 fan on today with this....
Chief, check this out of you have not already. Produced by Nils Frahm. Greg Haines - Digressions. Similar to WVFTS.
http://greghaines.wordpress.com/biography/
Gale 401
Ah one of the exceptions to the banality of the 80's. Tin Drum is agreat album.
Thanks for the reply on the Rush album, sadly their output seems stuck in the Oasis/Metallica compression rut. I hope the DVD/Blu ray of the tour is better.
Now
Really enjoying this, far better than their last two offerings before the split, 'Stringy Acid' is quite superb, wish I had got so see them live now. Must try for December.
<Vinnitskaya's Ravel>
Doug, have you heard this album? I'd be interested in what you think. For me, the jury is still out, the pianism is there but it sometimes feels notes fall in the wrong slot. Could be a matter of getting used to - I've tried reading the score but all that gave me was an understanding why the work is considered among the most difficult keyboard works ever written. And they say Ravel himself was only a modestly capable pianist...
Cheers,
EJ
EJ, I ordered this prior to its release but it is unfortunately being held back due to some other backorders in the group. I can't wait to hear it though. Of course, I am not the guy who buys only one pre-1960 recording of a work based on the wisdom of the 1984 Penguin Guide (or earlier) to have the one and only sanctioned recording ever. As good as they may be I find my views of music are not static and constantly evolve. I like the bench marks too but for me it is dangerous, if not mind numbing, to listen exclusively to one recording and just stop there. I am always searching for a new and musically interesting interpretation.
I can understand why some may have reservations with Vinnitskaya. In a world of preconditioned perfection in recordings, a wrong note can be off-putting to many. Sadly, many in this day and age think that every time you play something it can only be perfect. Truthfully, there is nothing that repels me more than slick, glossy, packaged product and image where you can't distinguish one from the next. She is still young but I already hear something in her character, heart and style that attracts me. It is deeper and darker and has dimension to it.
I happened to be just thinking of this yesterday so I'll bring it up. In contrast, one can be initially stunned and taken in by someone like the internet phenom Valentina Lisitsa. A phenomenal player in her own right. It is hard sometimes not to be affected by the force of some individuals. When the smoke clears though, I personally have yet to feel the same passion and connection to the inner voice of music with Lisitsa in the same way as I do with Vinnitskaya (which was almost immediate with me). This has more to do with my personality than anything else though. I like the body language of Vinnitskaya when she plays, as it is very telling. She has a greater vision and the notes are not just the means to an end. When Lisitsa plays she strikes me as shallower and more focused on technical perfection than music making. When Vinnitskaya connects it results in reaching for a hanky and feeling engaged emotion. This seems to me to be the whole point of listening to music.
As a pianist, I wear two hats as a listener. I am usually first attracted to what I hear first. I remember in my younger days the various points of enlightenment where I heard something for the first time and the hairs on my neck stood straight up. Following this is a lifetime of asking how I can play this with the same effect so this leads to studying the score and then work your whole life to technically accomplish this. Gaspard de la nuit is just one example of a master piece that requires olympian mastery and skill to play. I am in awe of anyone who even attempts to play music like this. Even following a score while listening takes a great deal of effort to keep up let alone how this is all being executed with only ten fingers. A recuring nightmare of mine would be to be the page turner for someone playing this. Why bother sitting down as you'll be flipping a page every 7 seconds. If you get lost you'll never find your way back in...
What I really marvel at though is how a composer like Ravel was able to translate his vision to a score when he likely couldn't play it like we so easily hear in any recording.
Hi Doug,
Like you I also look forward to new talent bringing their own views to the establishment, but there has to be a sense of commitment, something of a passion communicated to the listener. Vinnitskaya, as evidenced by her previous album with the Prokofiev 2 and Ravel concertos, has passion in spades, really a brilliant record. By that yard stick, this present album is a bit ordinary, like Aleg says, pleasant but not unique. It may be a grower, however, there are seeds of greatness (the gorgeous tone is enough to just listen to the disc).
I hope the record arrives soon - look forward to your views.
BTW I'm not a pianist, but I can play - enough to never volunteer for page turning!
Cheers,
EJ
Andrew Bird - Break It Yourself
new release.
Chief, check this out of you have not already. Produced by Nils Frahm. Greg Haines - Digressions. Similar to WVFTS.
http://greghaines.wordpress.com/biography/
Hi Adrian, I don't think I've heard of Greg Haines before, and haven't looked any of it up, but you can expect a follow-up post some time next week. Ordered - thanks!