HDX Missing final track on ripping Verdi!

Posted by: too old to rock on 24 January 2012

I am having a problem with Sony RCA Red Seal CD 88697 056925 Verdis Requiem . The CD contains 15 tracks, but although when monitoring the rip it identifies and rips all 15, only the first 14 are displayed. If I switch the CD player to 'play' mode it plays all 15 tracks. The dbase cant identify the disk but thats not usually a problem. This is  very long player at 81 mins maybe issues there. If i rip to windows media player i get all 15 tracks and its properly identified although is comes up as 'CD 2' think perhaps the original recording in 1977 covered 2 albums maybe.

Any ideas from the wise and wonderful???

Posted on: 24 January 2012 by pcstockton

try ripping in EAC.  Curious what it will do with it.

 

It is entirely possible that the CD is not within redbook specifications.  It wouldn't be the first time.

Posted on: 24 January 2012 by too old to rock

EAC good idea - all 15 tracks ripped ok but when i tested the individual tracks track 15 reported a large number of timing errors (others ok) and EAC would not pass it as accurately ripped.

When the hdx rips the cd no errors are reported when ripping track 15 so still cant see why it wont display the last track. Have listened to the track playing from the cd and their are no audible faults. All very strange.

Posted on: 24 January 2012 by pcstockton

hmmmm... can only a portion of a CD be out of spec?  This surpasses my knowledge base.

Posted on: 24 January 2012 by Richard Dane

Might be a track with too many unrecoverable errors - I think the HDX will try over and over to get a secure rip, but if it can't after so many tries then it will skip that track.  Try ripping in EAC or DBpoweramp.  It's really frustrating - I have about 20 discs that have major issues on the last track.  A look at something like DBpoweramp and some of them come up with bad frames in the thousands and a secure rip of the last track is impossible.  I guess it's either a pressing fault or trying to squeeze too much from the disc.  Biggest bummer is on my copy of Beach Boys Surf's Up; The best track is the last track but I've found no combination of drive and ripping program that can get me a secure rip of it.  It's too late to exchange the disc so I'm faced with either going for unsecure rip or buying another copy of the disc.  A couple of Porcupine Tree discs I have are the same - always the final track that has issues, no matter what the drive or rip program.

Posted on: 24 January 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk
I can't comment on the HDX issue, it sounds wierd. Is the WAV file created for the last track, but perhaps it's a bonus track with no meta data?

However to Richrds point about last tracks erroring, well this can be due to CD off centre issues or being on the edge of tolerance and / or possibly your CD ROM being on the edge of spec. As I am sure you are aware CD go from the inside to outside, so on long disks on the final track if the disc is slightly off centre the reading lens servo is having to work the hardest, and if the CD ROM is edge of spec you are inviting problems regrettably. Sometimes reseating the CD helps. This usually did the trick on my late CDS3.
Simon
Posted on: 24 January 2012 by pcstockton
Originally Posted by Richard Dane:

It's too late to exchange the disc so I'm faced with either going for unsecure rip or buying another copy of the disc.  A couple of Porcupine Tree discs I have are the same - always the final track that has issues, no matter what the drive or rip program.

I dont even think a new disc will help.

 

EAC can rip it, but it cant verify with accuraterip.  I would say that is because no one can supply data as to what an accurately rip would be for that track.

 

I dont know the ins and outs of the red book specification, but it always seems like CDs over ~76 minutes have problems.

 

Richard, are most/any of those 20 CDs special in some way?

 

I have always found EAC to rip anything.  if not I rip in burst mode and not worry about it.  I dont think I have ever heard "artifacts" on any of those made with burst mode.

 

and NO ONE in iTunes ripping land have found issues.  And they have been using possibly error ridden, non-secure, burst mode rips for years  

 

-p

Posted on: 25 January 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Patrick's reply prompted me to look at CD spec. The CD scan rate is 1.2m/s to 1.4m/s. The standard density  is a spiral length of 5.38km or 1.6um between rings, which gives 74 mins. It would seem that spirals can be packed to 1.5um, out of spec, but quite common, that gives 80 minutes. It would appear lengths upto 99 minutes are available, but as you down from 1.6um you are ,ore likely to come across compatibility and playback issues.
Simon
Posted on: 26 January 2012 by too old to rock

Thanks to all. The frustrating thing is that the CD plays perfectly well from the HDX drive and also ripped all 15 tracks from my laptop drive into windows media player. Thus I have no real grounds to request an exchange CD. I the end may have to live with getting the best wav or flac rip I can outside of the HDX and copy to my NAS store. Obviously may not get the quality of the HDX rip and of course have the annoying problem of not being able to allocate a 'Genre' which is how I  tend to select albums to play 99 pct of the time.  The exact CD length is 81.34 so will also check with Naim if there is anything in the firmware that is set to truncate cd's of this length.