Nice day at Cymbiosis. Is my Buffalo NAS OK?

Posted by: Dungassin on 27 January 2012

Spent an enjoyable 3 hours at Cymbiosis today auditioning various bits of equipment to add to my AV system.  Eventually decided to get the 555PS, NDX, Burndy to go with my nDAC /282/HiCap/250.2/nSats.  Sounded absolutely superb

 

I also listened to the XPS and ND5 XS.  To me the superiority of my choice was obvious. 

 

I did ask about the Unitiserve, but Phil advised against it.  He tells me that I don't actually need a server on my laptop and have that on when playing music,  if my Buffalo NAS will run Twonky or Asset.  This is where my problem lies ...

 

I checked on line, and apparently my 2TB Buffalo Linkstation Pro (Model LS-XHL) comes with Twonky installed, presumably as part of the firmware, although I am unclear on this point.  I hope I didn't delete it when I removed the free backup software after purchase!

 

However, after a look at the Buffalo forums, it would seem that Buffalo do not allow you to upgrade the version of Twonky to the latest one, and apparently the pre-installed version will not display cover art.

 

Any suggestions?  Do I have to give up on this drive as a Music Store and get another NAS?  If so, which one should I get - bearing in mind that I currently have >2000 CDs?  If I do need another NAS, I would prefer one with 2 drives which I could set up in RAID (would have to learn how!) so that it contains it's own backup.

 

I've got a chappy from a local networking company coming tomorrow to sort me out a hardwired network and hopefully improve on the poor ADSL dropout performance of my BTHomeHub2 (seems to need rebooting at least once a day when it loses the connection).  They're basically a Netgear supplier, so I ordered a Netgear N600 ADSL2 Modem/Router from them.  As is the way, I looked at reviews of this router when it had already arrived at the shop, and it seems that it may also have problems with our ADSL Max broadband.  Hope it's not true!

 

SWMBO isn't speaking to me ATM because I spent money, which appears to be against her "religion".  That will probably last until tomorrow, then all should be well again.  

Posted on: 27 January 2012 by Noogle

Congrats on the purchase. No help for your Q, but out of interest, is the 555PS going on the NDX or the nDAC?

Posted on: 27 January 2012 by likesmusic
Netgear N600 mighty fine router.  Very happy with mine. Even has UPnP server on it, which might be fun to try.
Posted on: 27 January 2012 by Dungassin

Phil at Cymbiosis recommends using it on the NDX.  Sounded great at the demo hooked up like that.  When I get it I'll probably try it the other way just to see what it's like. I think I'll have to try the NDX without the nDAC as well.  It's like waiting for Christmas again!

Posted on: 27 January 2012 by Dungassin
Originally Posted by likesmusic:
Netgear N600 mighty fine router.  Very happy with mine. Even has UPnP server on it, which might be fun to try.

That's nice to know.  I'll have to check specs again. The problems I found when I did my belated research (mainly Amazon comments, and the Netgear forums) seem to relate mainly to problems with ADSL1 (ADSL Max) connections - which alas is what I have here (the curse of living in a village, I suppose).  Apparently the N600 has a habit of frequently losing this type of ADSL connection, and doesn't automatically reconnect, which means manually resetting it.

Posted on: 27 January 2012 by Noogle
Originally Posted by Dungassin:

Phil at Cymbiosis recommends using it on the NDX.  Sounded great at the demo hooked up like that.  When I get it I'll probably try it the other way just to see what it's like. I think I'll have to try the NDX without the nDAC as well.  It's like waiting for Christmas again!

I'd certainly take Phil's recommendation over mine, but my gut tells me the 555PS would make the difference to the nDAC's analogue stages rather than the digital NDX (how does a better PSU improve a digital component?).  I've been thinking about a 555PS as my next acquisition, but there's the small matter of not having the necessary funds...

Posted on: 27 January 2012 by Dustysox
Cue AllenB any moment now!!! I to would like some clarification as to 555 PS on NDX as oppose to NDAC?
Posted on: 27 January 2012 by likesmusic
dungassin - dont have any first hand experience, but try googling "qnap experts in storage". Them and ripcaster seem to have some competence. Its only money. She's only a wife.
Posted on: 27 January 2012 by Dustysox
Likesmusic

Not married then!!!!!

If you are, maybe you can come and talk sense to my wife!!!
Posted on: 27 January 2012 by Jan-Erik Nordoen
Originally Posted by Dungassin:
I did ask about the Unitiserve, but Phil advised against it. 

For what reasons ?

Posted on: 27 January 2012 by Dungassin
Originally Posted by Dustysox:
Cue AllenB any moment now!!! I to would like some clarification as to 555 PS on NDX as oppose to NDAC?

Well, what he said was that they'd tried it both ways, and putting it on the NDX was better.  He even said Naim themselves now suggest this.

Posted on: 27 January 2012 by Frizzlefry

Dungassin,

 

The N600 is a great router, and if you plan to use an Ipad2, you can connect at 5GHz for a faster/cleaner connection.

 

Do not worry, new software - update when you first install- has solved the ADSL 1 problem.

 

As for a nas, try a Qnap 212, or 219 pII . Both run twonky, and have two drive bays for raid. But remember raid is not a foolproof back-up, keep another drive (USB) with another backup in an off site location.

Posted on: 27 January 2012 by Dungassin
Originally Posted by Jan-Erik Nordoen:
Originally Posted by Dungassin:
I did ask about the Unitiserve, but Phil advised against it. 

For what reasons ?

Sound quality not as good as the streamers.  As my only reason for going down the streaming route is the reproduction quality, and the price differential wasn't great, I didn't argue.  Also, if I had got the Unitiserve, I could have seen myself hankering for an HDX to replace it in the near future.  To be honest, the only reason I had been considering the Unitiserve was because I thought I would need a separate server with the NDX.  If the server can just be sitting in my router (N600) or NAS, then ultimately I thought the NDX the better option.

 

As I said, I did listen to the ND5XS as well, but preferred the NDX (both into the nDAC)

 

Just started ripping a few discs with dBPowerAmp, using FLAC uncompressed, in the hope that my possible Buffalo problems are moot.  I'll rip the same discs to WAV as well, just to do my own comparison before ripping the whole collection.

 

My younger son-in-law witll be very pleased when I have done all my rips, because he had already put in a claim for my DVD5 to replace his Rega CD player.

Posted on: 27 January 2012 by Dungassin
Originally Posted by Frizzlefry:

Dungassin,

 

The N600 is a great router, and if you plan to use an Ipad2, you can connect at 5GHz for a faster/cleaner connection.

 

Do not worry, new software - update when you first install- has solved the ADSL 1 problem.

 

As for a nas, try a Qnap 212, or 219 pII . Both run twonky, and have two drive bays for raid. But remember raid is not a foolproof back-up, keep another drive (USB) with another backup in an off site location.

I've always been a bit of a "belt and braces" man, like most "gasmen" (hospital speak), so for all the files on my laptop I usually have 3 backups.  Got a nice little box full of 500GB 2.5" drives, and that's what my Buffalo NAS was originally purchased for as well.  Just wish I hadn't deleted the free backup software that came with it, as it would have been nice to be able to verify the copies.

 

The other consideration with any new NAS is that it must be fairly quiet, because for now it will have to live in the same room as the system.  (while I persuade SWMBO to let me put it somewhere else).

Note to self ... when Network man comes, must make sure to get an access point in one of the other bedrooms ... or perhaps I should have it installed in the loft ... 

 

As regards the N600, I'll go to the Netgear site and download the latest firmware and persuade the Network man to install it for me.

 

I'll be using an iPhone with nStream for now.  Having seen my youngest daughter's iPad (1, not 2) I still feel that it's just an overgrown iPod touch.  Did try to persuade SWMBO to get one, but she insisted on a "proper laptop" of her own (she got a Toshiba).  Just wish she would learn how to use it and not keep asking me for help ...

Posted on: 27 January 2012 by Jan-Erik Nordoen
Thanks D, it all makes sense.

Lucky son-in-law!

Jan
Posted on: 28 January 2012 by Dungassin

Just been playing with the AV system as it currently is before the arrival of the new toys.  Thought I would try FLAC uncompressed and compare it to straight WAV (not really expecting to hear any differences, BTW).  Put one of each on a USB stick to plug straight into the nDAC.  FLAC uncompressed didn't play at all, so I assume the USB inputs won't do the FLAC uncompressed - or is it just my nDAC needing a firmware update or something?  It plays 24/192 WAV files perfectly well from a USB stick.  Slightly confused now ...

 

Qnap 212, or 219 pII are not on the Naim approved list which I have sitting on my desk.  I assume that they work fine, with full metadata (as from dBPowerAmp) shown on nStream?

Posted on: 28 January 2012 by Noogle

Your DAC needs a firmware update to play FLAC from the USB socket.

Posted on: 28 January 2012 by Dungassin
Originally Posted by Noogle:

Your DAC needs a firmware update to play FLAC from the USB socket.

Thanks.  Now if I could just find a simple way to ensure that copying from an NAS to USB external hard drive is verified as accurate - preferably set up as the default option.

Posted on: 28 January 2012 by Noogle
Originally Posted by Dungassin:
Now if I could just find a simple way to ensure that copying from an NAS to USB external hard drive is verified as accurate - preferably set up as the default option.

RichCopy?

Posted on: 28 January 2012 by Dungassin

I don't think Robocopy does verify, and I'd rather not have to resort to a command line interface (getting lazy in my old age).

 

Clicked on the Naim logo here, thinking to go to the Naim main website to see if I could download upgraded firmware for the nDAC, and the website appears to be "down" - kept getting an error message.  Rebooted my PC, tried again - same result.

 

Just been checking the QNAP NAS manual.  Seems that the QNAP NAS suggested will copy/verify with no real trouble.

Posted on: 28 January 2012 by trickydickie

Syncback works well for synchronising two sets of directory structures and has verify.  I use this for my off site backups.

Posted on: 28 January 2012 by Dungassin
Originally Posted by trickydickie:

Syncback works well for synchronising two sets of directory structures and has verify.  I use this for my off site backups.

Thanks.  Probably moot now, as I have just order a QNAP 219 PII and 2 Samsung HD204UI 2TB drives to go in it.  Backup software included.  However, I will look at it for future backup of the Buffalo drive. 

Posted on: 28 January 2012 by Noogle
RichCopy has a verify option and has a GUI interface: 
 
Originally Posted by Dungassin:

I don't think Robocopy does verify, and I'd rather not have to resort to a command line interface (getting lazy in my old age).

Posted on: 28 January 2012 by Frizzlefry

' As regards the N600, I'll go to the Netgear site and download the latest firmware and persuade the Network man to install it for me. '

 

No need to. Gone are the days of downloading firmware, unzipping and pointing the router at it; your new N600 is automated ! Every time you log on to the router, using 192.168.---.--- it will look for new software. If software is found you can choose to download it or not, so it is worth logging on to the router every couple of months, even if you know very little about it, just to check the software is up to date.

 

also if your not setting the router up, its worth getting 3 wifi networks set up, all with different names and passwords.

 

1, a 2.4GHz as the 'main' wifi network, for use in ripping music, checking the router etc, using the laptop.

 

2, a 5.0GHz one, in case you get an Ipad2, again on the network, for control of the streamer.

 

3, a second guest 2.4GHz network. This one is closed from the home network, and only allows access to the internet – useful to stop teenagers from messing up the NAS, or deleting music by mistake/revenge, or anyone else who needs internet only, and you want to keep away from your home network.

 

And as you've already found out, the 219 has backup built in. I usually connect a USB drive directly, and do a backup, you have a choice of full backup, or just the differences/new music.

Posted on: 28 January 2012 by Dungassin

Thanks for all the helpful replies.

 

I've downloaded and installed the Freeware version of Syncback.  Works very well, and I've just finished using it to take a verified copy of the audio files I'd already ripped to the Buffalo NAS onto one of my external hard drives.  Should make it easier when the QNAP arrives.  Just need to think about which USB 2TB external drive to buy for my safety backup.

 

Alas, my Netgear N600 still hasn't arrived.  The network installer says he should have it by Monday.  Had a long discussion with him about a home Network, and decided to move the Router to our living room (where the main BT telephone socket is situated), and have 2 output sockets in my study and 2 in another bedroom.  I know CAT5e is adequate, but I've opted for CAT6 cabling for a little bit of future proofing. With SWMBO's agreement I'm being allowed to move both the QNAP and Buffalo into that bedroom rather than keep them in my study.  The network installer is getting back to me on Monday with his quote for the work.

 

All seems to be working out well.  I've just got to think about how I'm going to fit the new Naim bits into the study - looks like I'll have to spend an afternoon dismantling and reassembling the system to get it ready.  Come to think of it, I may have to do the same for the living room active system as well - see if I can find that missing spare puck for the CDS ... I think my granddaughter may have "hidden" it there a year ago.