New NDS Streamer

Posted by: 0rangutan on 30 January 2012

See Doug Graham interview on the audiostream.com site:

"In February we will launch our top-of-the-line NDS streaming network player at the Bristol Sound and Vision Show".

Posted on: 01 March 2012 by Richard Dane
Originally Posted by Steeve:

Will the price of the NDS be going up on 31st March??!!

I seriously doubt it, although I'm not sure yet how firm is the price on the NDS.  Any new product released within 6 months or so of a price rise, usually has the price held firm for at least a year or more.

Posted on: 01 March 2012 by JMKP

As a consumer and music lover, I want to know which combo suit my taste. They are in $$ order

 

NDS/555PS > NDAC/XPS + NDX/XPS > NDAC/555PS + NDX

Posted on: 01 March 2012 by JMKP

Or these combo...

 

NDS with 2 x 555PS > NDAC/555PS + NDX/555PS

 

Seems like a mathematics lesson...

Posted on: 04 March 2012 by Jude2012
I have just joined the forum after viewing it for about a year or so.  I am transitioning to Naim and have  a NAP200 fed by the Arcam Solo Movie Receiver. I absolutely love the impact the 200 has had on the sound for about a year now. The speakers are PMX GB1i and the cables are Chord.

Going forward, I want to keep to a Naim pre-power set up for amplification.  Until NDX and now the NDS I was skeptical about streaming as a source.

The hesitation I still have is around the serving theme. It appears to me that Naim does not have a dedicated server for the Classic range.

Whilst I am aware that many on this forum are very satisfied with the NAS, for me,  is a bit like buying buying a Ferrari without an engune, shopping around for a third party  engine and installing it DIY style.

My question is what are Naim's plans fir serving? Also is better to just use the UnitiServe with one if the streamers that fit my budget vs SQ trade off?  Listening to the UnitiServe is practical, experimenting with NAS is not.
Posted on: 04 March 2012 by Rosewind
Originally Posted by Jude2012:
... It appears to me that Naim does not have a dedicated server for the Classic range.

Whilst I am aware that many on this forum are very satisfied with the NAS, for me,  is a bit like buying buying a Ferrari without an engune, shopping around for a third party  engine and installing it DIY style.

...

Jude.

 

Welcome to these parts.

 

I think Naim is with you on the Ferrari comaparison.

 

Re. the Naim server: There is always the Naim HTX that has internal harddisks ...

 

I myself has gone down the route of a Synology NAS which is very capable. I have no intention of buying a Naim Server at this point in time (sorry!) but I am seriously considering saving up for the NDS + NA555PS.

 

Best wishes,

Peter

Posted on: 04 March 2012 by Guido Fawkes
Naim could put a Vortexbox in a big classic/reference case and provide slots in which you could put lots of SSDs This would have no moving parts and be silent and it would cater for downloads instead of rips, though it could include a ripping engine for those who wanted it The interface would be as good as that on the Soolos in that you have every detail about the album and you could link to information about items within that detail - the advantage over the Soloos would be that it had an iPod interface And it would cost .....
Posted on: 04 March 2012 by PinkHamster
Originally Posted by Jude2012:

The hesitation I still have is around the serving theme. It appears to me that Naim does not have a dedicated server for the Classic range.

Whilst I am aware that many on this forum are very satisfied with the NAS, for me,  is a bit like buying buying a Ferrari without an engune, shopping around for a third party  engine and installing it DIY style.

My question is what are Naim's plans fir serving? Also is better to just use the UnitiServe with one if the streamers that fit my budget vs SQ trade off?  Listening to the UnitiServe is practical, experimenting with NAS is not.


Naim is an audio company not a network company. Devices like the HDX are primarily designed as hard disk PLAYERS and only then as servers for secondary systems in the house.

 

In the near future every household will maintain a network of some kind. And that will be dedicated to multiple tasks of which music is just one among others. What I mean to say is, that the network will simply be there and there is no need for Naim to poach in someone else's hunting grounds.

Posted on: 04 March 2012 by Guido Fawkes

> Naim is an audio company not a network company.

 

Or has it become the audio network company? 

 

Imagine copper Ethernet cables to every room in your house, when the industry announces the new fibre standard for home networking .... it'll all end in tears or is that tiers? 


I've wired my own house with a wireless network, it was easy, but ......... 

Posted on: 04 March 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Guy - I would recommend anyone network wiring or fibring thier house to use trunking so the wires/fibres  can be removed and replaced at some point in the future or added to. Is suepect we will see an bandwidth explosion in the domestic envinment in a few years and current wireless, ethernet over mains etc will seem so antiquted and limiting for future application demands. Network wiring may need to be more structured depending on applications, therefore stringing Ethernet wire and daisy chanining it without planning around the house could also hold things back. Plastic ducting that you can drag wires through allows you to adapt to the changing requirements. The future I think is definitely fibre/copper. Wireless will be used for low bandwidth devices like tablets/laptops/cameras/phones and whilst on the move.

Posted on: 04 March 2012 by Hook

Really Simon?   I mean, I know you know your stuff and all, but given the rather incredible advances in wireless throughput over the last decade, I would have thought that tomorrow's Bluetooth would have today's 100gbe speeds.  And with computers getting smaller and faster, would have thought that error correction and retransmission logic chips would get better as well.

 

Am probably missing something important though.   But it would be nice, since after all, the cost of cabling for wireless is very affordable. 

 

Hook

Posted on: 04 March 2012 by rock100

Perhaps the telephone offers a clue to the future of home networking ...... Anyone fish new telephone wire thru their house walls lately?

Posted on: 04 March 2012 by Purity of Essence
Originally Posted by AMA:

For those who are puzzled with NDS S/PDIF output -- do you realize that Naim is not the only manufacturer of standalone DACs?

I am very definitely out of the "Circle of Trust" as to Naim's imminent and future products so you can take this as (un)informed speculation.

 

What if Naim were later to develop a range of digital pre amplifiers, digital room correction and digital active crossovers?

 

Would you not feel a little short changed if your NDS only had an analogue output - however reassuring this would have been to be to some - as of now?

Posted on: 04 March 2012 by Harry

I doubt very much if Naim care that anyone else makes a DAC. The dig out on a Salisbury grown box is a recent innovation, not seen before on the grounds that no other DAC could possibly be good enough. Who knows what such an output might realise in time. I believe it will certainly be usable with an up and coming DAC. Time will tell. 

 

If such a DAC hits the shelves (I'm betting on when) the NDS is going to be a jolly expensive route to a high quality dig out socket. Could the ND5 offer 95% of the quality for a fraction of the price? Interesting times ahead - and not in a bad way.

Posted on: 05 March 2012 by Guido Fawkes

I think the digital out is so you can plug your NDS in to your Rhode & Schwarz UPL Audio Analyser

 

 

I know some people will just use the NDS to listen to music, but think of the fun you could have with this £8k add-on measuring jitter, distortion and getting it to draw all kinds of squiggly graphs that you could post on the forum


The ND5 and NDX are spoil sports as apparently they measure so well that they nearly take the UPL to its limits. So if the NDS is better then you'll need to upgrade your UPL. Typical Naim ... you always need an upgrade. 

 

 

 

Posted on: 05 March 2012 by Richard Dane
Originally Posted by Jude2012:
I have just joined the forum after viewing it for about a year or so.  I am transitioning to Naim and have  a NAP200 fed by the Arcam Solo Movie Receiver. I absolutely love the impact the 200 has had on the sound for about a year now. The speakers are PMX GB1i and the cables are Chord.

Going forward, I want to keep to a Naim pre-power set up for amplification.  Until NDX and now the NDS I was skeptical about streaming as a source.

The hesitation I still have is around the serving theme. It appears to me that Naim does not have a dedicated server for the Classic range.

Whilst I am aware that many on this forum are very satisfied with the NAS, for me,  is a bit like buying buying a Ferrari without an engune, shopping around for a third party  engine and installing it DIY style.

My question is what are Naim's plans fir serving? Also is better to just use the UnitiServe with one if the streamers that fit my budget vs SQ trade off?  Listening to the UnitiServe is practical, experimenting with NAS is not.

 

Jude,

 

You actually have a rather a lot of choice for a Naim server: NS01, NS02, NS03, HDX, HDX-SSD Unitiserve, Unitiserve-SSD.  Indeed, it is Naim's preferred solution - i.e. Full Naim control from rip to replay.

Posted on: 05 March 2012 by sheffieldgraham
Originally Posted by Guido Fawkes:

I think the digital out is so you can plug your NDS in to your Rhode & Schwarz UPL Audio Analyser

 

 

I know some people will just use the NDS to listen to music, but think of the fun you could have with this £8k add-on measuring jitter, distortion and getting it to draw all kinds of squiggly graphs that you could post on the forum


The ND5 and NDX are spoil sports as apparently they measure so well that they nearly take the UPL to its limits. So if the NDS is better then you'll need to upgrade your UPL. Typical Naim ... you always need an upgrade. 

 

 

 

 

Would that be the Rhode & Schwarz UPV ? 

 

 

Posted on: 05 March 2012 by Guido Fawkes

UPV has ears 

 

Posted on: 15 March 2012 by Jude2012

Richard,  Thanks for the response.  Yes, I had forgottent the obvious.  Also wasn't familar with the 'NS' range.

 

If used as a streamer over a wired network, are there differeneces in sound quality in these products that do not use SSDs?

 

Jude