UPnP

Posted by: Big Jo on 14 February 2012

Morning all,

 

I've had my NDX a couple of weeks now, and am really enjoying the SQ from it, even in my modest system.


I have been using a 6Tb Bufalo Terastation Pro III to serve the sound files to the NDX, however, I have found that the UPnP server with is bundled with the Terastation firmware compresses the living daylights out of the album artwork on my iPad 2. So I thought I would try Assest UPnP server running on my desktop, serving the sound files via a UNC path to my NAS. This works great but means I have to have my PC on when I want to play music. So, I have a couple of HP Proliant MicroServers laying around so decided to rebuild one with Windows Home Server 2011. I have 2 x 250Gb HDD (RAID 1) hosting the OS, and 2x2TB HDD (RAID 1) hosting the music files, or will do once it's completed the install.

 

My question is, what UPnP servers are you guys using, and what do you think the best one is any why, I am only using the trial version of Assest, but will purchase whatever the consensus is.


Thoughts please???

 

Kind regards

Jo

Posted on: 14 February 2012 by Hook

Hi Big Jo -

 

Even though it requires me to have a separate PC server running, I am sticking with Asset.  It has given me month after month of perfect uptime, high performance, ease of administration, FLAC-to-WAV transcoding (allowing my AVR to be a client), etc..   

 

A while back, Asset's developer (the mysterious Mr. Spoon) hinted that a Linux port was under development.  When that becomes available, I will install Asset on my QNAP NAS, and repurpose or retire my little DIY PC server (a mini-ITX design that cost very little to build).

 

Hook

Posted on: 14 February 2012 by pcstockton

J River Media Center.  The best.  + JRemote App = $

Posted on: 14 February 2012 by McGhie
Hi I have an HP ProLiant MicroServer and I'm running VortexBox on it. I like VB but I've also used Asset on my PC and like it even more (it does Wav, configurable browse trees, and more UPnP options)! I'm considering WHS & Asset but as I'm happily streaming FLAC without issues I haven't taken the plunge. In your position (got box that'll take WHS and happy to install it, that is - I'm sure few have spare servers and many are anti-Windows), I'd go with Asset. I haven't seen a better app for the job. If you do go down this route then please report back, I won't need much encouragement to switch over to Asset myself. Cheers Ian
Posted on: 14 February 2012 by Geoff P

+1 to what Hook says.

Also since you are trying Asset UPnP and like it, installing the WHS 2011 version which 'Spoon' offers on your NAS will work great.

If you have USB ports on the NAS you are rebuilding you can plug in a USB optical drive and rip CDs direct to the NAS using another 'Spoon' product 'RipNas Essentials' that you can install in WHS. Rips with the same engine as dBPoweramp and pulls down the metadata automatically. 

Posted on: 14 February 2012 by pcstockton

If not using a legit media player + iOS/Android app, what are you using for a control point?

 

I sincerely recommend a real media player with robust tagging database, video, picture and data support, and multiple configurable servers. 

 

You can then control with anything you like from an IR Remote, to an iPad and everything in between.

 

Oh and it will function VERY nicely as a DVR if you do Over-air TV/HDTV.  It will replay any video codec including Bluray

 

Just a thought.

 

 

Posted on: 14 February 2012 by Big Jo

Thanks for your replies everyone, OK, so the HP Microserver is built, and configured. Windows Home Server 2011 installed and updated, all my music files  are now on the 2x2Tb Raid 1 drives, with the Operating System being installed on 2x250Gb Raid 1 drives. The full version of asset running and indexing the music. All looks good, and sounds good too, I wouldn't say I could hear a difference from the terastation, but that wasn't the point of the exercise.

 

I obviously need to read the PowerAmpDB forums as I can't see anything where it'll transcode my FLACs to WAV.

 

Thanks all.

 

Kind regards

Jo

Posted on: 14 February 2012 by McGhie
Not sure Asset does transcoding (so happy researching there) but it does stream Wav, so you could convert all your FLAC to Wav. dBpoweramp will do this with a few mouse clicks, a few hours and sufficient free disk space!
Posted on: 14 February 2012 by Hook

Asset does transcoding.  

 

Under Advanced Settings, press Edit.  Under Audio Format Streaming, change FLAC from "as is" to WAV.

 

Hook

Posted on: 14 February 2012 by Big Jo

Cheers Hook, much appreciated, saved me rooting around.

Posted on: 14 February 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk

+1 for Assett, supports configurable transcoding per endpoint device - absolutely perfect - certainly if you also have non Naim network players sharing your collection. - and the search index structure is fully configurable

Posted on: 15 February 2012 by McGhie
I turned Asset back on on my PC last night, following this thread, and reminded myself how good it is. I like the flexibility - lots of configurable options like setting multiple source directories, configuring your own browse trees and how they present themselves, transcoding (seemingly with options to specify what format each format should be transcoded to), filtering on specific file types... Plus, I spotted last night, via N-Stream, that even though I have set all "The ..." prefixes in the Artist and Album Artist tags to "..., The", Asset presents the artist list with, e.g., "The Cure" displayed like that but under C. So, I may install WHS 2011 on my MicroServer and run Asset from there. Jo, which version of Asset did you install (I don't think there's a WHS 2011 version, so was it the Win 7/Vista, the Win XP or the WHS version, or am I looking in the wrong place)? Cheers Ian
Posted on: 15 February 2012 by Tog

I do like Asset - fine piece of software - very configurable - but it runs on Windows or even worse WHS. 

 

For me Vortexbox has hit the spot for well over a year and three different servers. Since I'm not obsessed with transcoding to wav - flac sounds fine, I can serve up UPnP, Slimserver, DAAP or Sonos Net from the same server and administer everything  via the web on an ipad.Bliss handles cover art and enforces my file path or folder structure.

 

Backup is one button away to portable USB drives in rotation.

 

No crashes, no viruses and no downtime.

 

Tog

 

 

 

Posted on: 15 February 2012 by Big Jo
Originally Posted by McGhie:
I turned Asset back on on my PC last night, following this thread, and reminded myself how good it is. I like the flexibility - lots of configurable options like setting multiple source directories, configuring your own browse trees and how they present themselves, transcoding (seemingly with options to specify what format each format should be transcoded to), filtering on specific file types... Plus, I spotted last night, via N-Stream, that even though I have set all "The ..." prefixes in the Artist and Album Artist tags to "..., The", Asset presents the artist list with, e.g., "The Cure" displayed like that but under C. So, I may install WHS 2011 on my MicroServer and run Asset from there. Jo, which version of Asset did you install (I don't think there's a WHS 2011 version, so was it the Win 7/Vista, the Win XP or the WHS version, or am I looking in the wrong place)? Cheers Ian

Hi Ian,

 

I installed the Windows 7 & Vista version yesterday, as the Windows Home Server version wouldn't on Windows Home Server 2011, works a treat, no issues.

 

Also this morning setup Live Drive backup running on WHS, to backup all my music to the cloud as soon as it changes, pretty cool, a bit slow as I only have 5Mbs upload, but it'll just chug away in the background until all the files are copied (although my VPN connection into work this morning is a little slow ), when changes happen it'll keep it synced. Pretty good to me.

 

Kind regards

Jo

Posted on: 15 February 2012 by Geoff P
Originally Posted by Big Jo:
 

 

I installed the Windows 7 & Vista version yesterday, as the Windows Home Server version wouldn't on Windows Home Server 2011, works a treat, no issues.

 

Kind regards

Jo

FYI

Actually Spoon has released Asset V4 and is offering a version specifically for WHS 2011.

 

Go here

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/sh...?24155-Asset-UPnP-v4

and read the first post: to find the download link.

 

BTW Tog

I have never had any trouble with WHS it has never frozen or needed a reboot for software failure. Much more stable than any of their PC operating systems. Of course maybe I have just been lucky.

 

regards

Geoff

Posted on: 15 February 2012 by Big Jo
Originally Posted by Geoff P:
FYI

Actually Spoon has released Asset V4 and is offering a version specifically for WHS 2011.

 

Go here

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/sh...?24155-Asset-UPnP-v4

and read the first post: to find the download link.

 

BTW Tog

I have never had any trouble with WHS it has never frozen or needed a reboot for software failure. Much more stable than any of their PC operating systems. Of course maybe I have just been lucky.

 

regards

Geoff

Thanks Geoff,

 

I'll download it now and update the server, is it a beta or GA?

 

Kind regards

Jo

Posted on: 15 February 2012 by Big Jo

Doh! Just saw the beta bit in the URL, I'll get my coat!

Posted on: 15 February 2012 by rich46

dbp/whs  top dollar  run them with ripnas for well over 2 yrs no flaws after well over 3000 rips

Posted on: 17 February 2012 by Zardoz

Question for Jo and anyone else using a ProLiant micro.





Do you think it would handle Windows XP or 7 ? Idea is to run DBpoweramp and Asset, with poweramp ripping to FLAC and AAC at the same time. The 'server' would also have itunes installed to update the car ipod. I realise I would need a screen and mouse etc. for using/copying to itunes, but it would mean one machine to rip and serve both my hifi and ipod. Essentially a low powered, always on, music only PC. Is the VGA chip suitable?





Anyone tried it, or reasons for/against, or am I just better off buying a micro PC, Acer Zotac, and a couple of usb drives and CD-rom?

 

Thanks





Posted on: 17 February 2012 by Tog
Asset is good software don't get me wrong and if your WHS installation has behaved impeccably then that is cool too. In a similar way there are a few Trabants out there still running for their proud owners. ;-) Tog
Posted on: 17 February 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Ohhh Tog, that was below the belt.

I remember travelling  across to Bratislava not long after the  wall came down in Berlin, and spotted a supped up Trabant in a large edge of town social housing complex. I got out of my car that had Austrian plates on and started taking pictures of it. I then became aware of a  large volume of people staring at me down from the balconies, a really unnerving expierience. I packed up and got out of there......

Simon

Posted on: 17 February 2012 by Tog

Cool :-)

 

Tog

Posted on: 18 February 2012 by Big Jo
Originally Posted by Zardoz:

Question for Jo and anyone else using a ProLiant micro.



Do you think it would handle Windows XP or 7 ? Idea is to run DBpoweramp and Asset, with poweramp ripping to FLAC and AAC at the same time. The 'server' would also have itunes installed to update the car ipod. I realise I would need a screen and mouse etc. for using/copying to itunes, but it would mean one machine to rip and serve both my hifi and ipod. Essentially a low powered, always on, music only PC. Is the VGA chip suitable?



Anyone tried it, or reasons for/against, or am I just better off buying a micro PC, Acer Zotac, and a couple of usb drives and CD-rom?

 

Thanks



Hi Zardoz,

 

The proliant MircoServers are excellent for the price of them, I picked 2 some time back for £150 each as there was a cash back offer.

 

I've not installed Windows 7 or XP on them, I've run Windows Home Server 2011 and the previous WHS, which I found pretty good, I know a lot of people like to run Linux distributions etc. But I think the new Windows OS's are far better than before, and make it easier for everyone to get up an running, not just techies!

 

In answer to your questions, I'd recommend it, it works out of the box, and works nicely too, it's not that loud, but, you wouldn't want it in your lounge or bedroom. I run Asset UPnP on it, and it handles it fine, and transcode all my FLACs to WAV on the fly using Assest and CPU rarely goes over 5%. I have upgraded mine to 8Gb RAM, and it has 4 HDDs in it, 2x250Gb (RAID 1) running the WHS, and 2x2Tb (RAID 1) as music storage. iTunes is a little more power hungry, but I don't think it should be that much of an issue. I wouldn't worry about the graphics chip, yes, of course with a dedicated graphics card it would offload some processing power to the GPU, but you're not using it for games or watching movies, so it's not an issue.

 

You need to plug a screen, mouse and keyboard in when initially loading WHS, but after that you can just unplug the keyboard and mouse, and just Remote Desktop to it. As I use my iPad 2 with NStream to control my NDX, I've found a great piece of software in the App Store called SplashTop, only £2.99, which allows you to remote desktop to any Windows or MAC machine on your network. All you do is install the app on your iPad from the AppStore, install the client, on the client machine, in your case the WHS, and that's it, you can then administer the server from your iPad, I find it great and very useful as I use the iPad a lot. Remote Desktop works great too, so there are loads of options, and it's really easy to setup too.

 

I have a livedrive unlimited account, which is cloud storage, and I have installed that on the WHS server, it monitors the d drive for changes and backs them up automatically, so I really have no issues with it at all, and yes would recommend it. You can also run a "live" usb internally from the machine if you want to run a Linux distribution, but I do that all day every day in my day job and just wanted something simple and quick, it works for me.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Kind regards

Jo

 

Posted on: 18 February 2012 by Tog

CPU isn't a big issue unless you plan streaming video - most commercial Asset based servers use Intel Atom 1.6 / 1.8. As a huge fan of Plex for video streaming (simply wonderful on the iPad !) I tend to build servers with more horse power.

 

Tog

Posted on: 19 February 2012 by pcstockton

just go i7 with integrated mobo video/sandy bridge if you care.

Posted on: 19 February 2012 by Tog
Which is what makes the MacMini such a versatile beast - Tog