PINK FLOYD - THE WALL VINYL 2012

Posted by: Thorsten_L on 24 February 2012

So...after an extensive listening session, I have to say some things...

 

1)

 

The 2012 vinyl remaster is very good. Nice clarity, nice punch. In my ears a bit too "nice", too "polished". The instruments are nicely separated and the sound of the drums is fantastic. The soundstage is pretty big. 

 

The vinyl is very quiet and in an excellent condition upon arrival (I dont like the original cardbox-innersleeves, though). 

 

All-in-all a fantastic re-issue, if someone has no other pressings at hand..., because

 

2)

The UK-1st-pressing sounds much more "REAL". More aggressive, more punch, more everything. I couldnt believe my ears how loud it played on the same volume as the 2012-remaster.

The drum-sound kicks the 2012´s ass badly, as do the bass and the guitars...The UK is more in ya face. The soundstage is incredibly bigger than the 2012-remaster.

 

3) 

The Japanese-1st pressing kind of lacks in the area of "power" of the UK, BUT the dynamics on this wonderful pressing is just stunning. Compared to this, the 2012 sounds like "dead".

Also, if you prefer DETAIL over in ya face, the Japanese 1st is the choice no 1.

 

Conclusion.

 

The Uk-1st and the Japanese 1st beat the 2012 by a lot of miles, although the 2012 sounds really really good.

 

My BIGGEST realization:

 

I will NEVER EVER buy a VINYL-RECORD again which is from a digital source.

What brought this realization about?

 

The FRIGHTENING difference in the dynamics of the 2012-remaster and Uk and Japanese 1st...unbelievable.

 

Long live analogue!

 

Posted on: 27 February 2012 by Thorsten_L
Originally Posted by Gale 401:
Originally Posted by MusicLover:

Amazon.de sent it out on February 23th...

 

T,

Take a real time picture of the album cover and one on your deck and post it.

I will put money on you not doing this.

Nothing has shipped from any amazon until today.

hmv started shipping on Friday just to get the money in but nothing went out until today/tomorrow also.

Stu.


I did it.

Posted on: 27 February 2012 by count.d

Well I've now had a chance to listen and compare, I think it's excellent. Lovely warm, deep bass and very sweetly detailed. The vinyl is also perfectly quiet. It's been cut at a very low volume and I needed to put the volume knob at nearly 1 o'clock, but when I did, the sound became more open and filled the room with very deep bass and crisp highs. Best pressing I've heard. Shame I have to send it back for a replacement.

 

Yes Steve, the RTI Doors are wonderful.

Posted on: 27 February 2012 by Emil F
Thorsten, I can say the same about Wish You Were Here. The 2011 remaster is sounding soft. I prefer my old thin copy. I don't know about the remastering process here, but I doubt that a master tape will keep its quality a long time, even after storage under the necessary conditions. Emil
Posted on: 28 February 2012 by steveb

"first pressing of The Wall"- the one that i had to return 8 times, a friend 9 times

The UK pressing was rubbish- my record shop of the time stopped stocking UK copies- EMI UK eventually sourced new pressings from abroad as the return rate was so high.

 

Steve

 

Posted on: 28 February 2012 by tonym

My brother bought me The Wall when it first came out & it was a real Rice-Crispy job. Not wishing to get him to return it, I kept it and after a few years'(!) playing it got better & is now fine. Weird...

Posted on: 28 February 2012 by Thorsten_L

The new pressing sounds very very good and I think theydid a fine mastering job.

 

It is hard to compete with my 2 others that is all...

 

Why I bought the new pressing?

 

Just because I wanted, s´all...

 

Still no reply from Stu...duh...

Posted on: 28 February 2012 by count.d

Thorsten, sometimes records which sound punchy or alive on lower end hifi, have little to offer when played on hi-end gear. They become thin, bright or harsh. Records which sound a little muffled or heavy on low end gear, can often open up to be wonderful warm and spatial.

 

Posted on: 28 February 2012 by Andy Piercy
Originally Posted by count.d:

Mine just arrived. Small piece of loose vinyl has scratched one of the lp's. Damn.

 

Sounds sweet and detailed, but I'll have to compare with other pressings.

Uh Oh!

My first copy of WYWH arrived scratched in the way you describe.  

Posted on: 29 February 2012 by Thorsten_L
Originally Posted by count.d:

Thorsten, sometimes records which sound punchy or alive on lower end hifi, have little to offer when played on hi-end gear. They become thin, bright or harsh. Records which sound a little muffled or heavy on low end gear, can often open up to be wonderful warm and spatial.

 

Ok...I have a Supernait/HC2-combo, the Superline...my TT is a nice German Transrotor Dark Star...the arm is modified around 850€ and the cartridge is an Ortofon Valencia (800&euro...all on FRAIMs through NACA5ed S-400s...so I would say that my system is not "high-end", but certainly NOT low-end...

 

Care to explain what you mean???

Posted on: 29 February 2012 by FangfossFlyer

Amazon shipped mine and no one was at home when it was delivered so they chucked it over the gate and left it out in the rain!

 

It was completely sodden so I so sent it back.

 

New copy on its way.

 

Richard

Posted on: 29 February 2012 by Gale 401

Richard,

Sorry to hear that.

My copy came today in a massive amazon box.

It could of got rained on though as it was covered / sealed in cling film.

They could of chucked it in a pond and it would of been ok.lol.

I am not in the right mood to play it at the mo though.

So it will have to hang on until the weekend.

I cant get enough of my new 180g Jazz Wax pressing of The Dave Brubeck Quartet TIME OUT album tonight.

It goes great with the England Holland game.

Stu.

Posted on: 29 February 2012 by count.d

Replacement copy arrived today and instead of the 2nd lp having a bit of loose vinyl scratch it, the 1st lp has been scratched in the same way! At least it was from Amazon, so I've not sent the 1st copy back yet and will select the 2 perfect copies and send back the 2 damaged ones. Someone's not doing their job properly at the plant.

Posted on: 29 February 2012 by Thorsten_L
Originally Posted by count.d:

Thorsten, sometimes records which sound punchy or alive on lower end hifi, have little to offer when played on hi-end gear. They become thin, bright or harsh. Records which sound a little muffled or heavy on low end gear, can often open up to be wonderful warm and spatial.

 

Dear count´d,

 

would you please explain this to me in regards of the topic and my system???

Posted on: 01 March 2012 by count.d
Originally Posted by MusicLover:
Originally Posted by count.d:

Thorsten, sometimes records which sound punchy or alive on lower end hifi, have little to offer when played on hi-end gear. They become thin, bright or harsh. Records which sound a little muffled or heavy on low end gear, can often open up to be wonderful warm and spatial.

 

Dear count´d,

 

would you please explain this to me in regards of the topic and my system???

There's not a lot to add really. In my eyes, your system isn't at a level to show the benefits of some recordings. My opinion on some of my lps has changed over the years during the upgrade process. 

Posted on: 01 March 2012 by Thorsten_L
Originally Posted by count.d:
Originally Posted by MusicLover:
Originally Posted by count.d:

Thorsten, sometimes records which sound punchy or alive on lower end hifi, have little to offer when played on hi-end gear. They become thin, bright or harsh. Records which sound a little muffled or heavy on low end gear, can often open up to be wonderful warm and spatial.

 

Dear count´d,

 

would you please explain this to me in regards of the topic and my system???

There's not a lot to add really. In my eyes, your system isn't at a level to show the benefits of some recordings. My opinion on some of my lps has changed over the years during the upgrade process. 

Really...ok...I agree to disagree...

 

I think that a TT incl. PSU, arm and cartridge for about 4200€ + a phonostage like the Superline for about 2500€ (+300€ Z-Plug) + speakers for about 4200€ and an amp-section for about 4800€ certainly can show some benefits of some recordings.

 

How did you come to your conclusion, that my system would not be at such a level without listening to it? 

This is really strange...but I respect your opinion.

 

I certainly can hear differences in some recordings of the same LP.

Posted on: 03 March 2012 by achique99

I got mine today...  bought it from music store.

Posted on: 21 July 2012 by analogmusic

Got this today. Nice sound quality and sounds musical enough to my ears.

 

I can't believe some of the comments here. Why can't you let a guy enjoy his music.

 

Low level, high level hi fi talk, what nonsense.

 

And Stu as usual, doing more talking than thinking.

Posted on: 21 July 2012 by Gale 401

Ali,

If you just dug up a five month old thread to cause conflict?

Have fun because i ain't going to bite. 

Thorsten and i get on fine on forum and off.

Its just banter.

Would love to know what you play your vinyl on though?

Posted on: 21 July 2012 by totemphile

Stu, there's a new iTT out, didn't you know? 

Posted on: 21 July 2012 by analogmusic

does anyone know for sure if the Vinyl was sourced from analog or has it come from a digital master?

 

To my ears it sounds like it came from an analog master, with the 3D soundstage analog recordings usually have.

 

If indeed it came from digital, that's very impressive.

 

Stu, what difference does it make to you? I live in my means and am happy with what I have.

 

Totem - you mean totemTT surely . 

Posted on: 21 July 2012 by Steve C

 SWMBO's opinion warmth the newer copies sound to digital.

And i think thats the problem most of us are so used to the original that the new copies don't sound right.

 

Steve

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted on: 21 July 2012 by Gale 401
Originally Posted by analogmusic:

does anyone know for sure if the Vinyl was sourced from analog or has it come from a digital master?

 

To my ears it sounds like it came from an analog master, with the 3D soundstage analog recordings usually have.

 

If indeed it came from digital, that's very impressive.

 

Stu, what difference does it make to you? I live in my means and am happy with what I have.

 

Totem - you mean totemTT surely . 

Ali,

 As it happens,

It does make quite a difference.

This thread is about the Double VINYL LP's re-mastered from the original A tapes of the Wall that came out last Feb.

So your point of view is pointless unless you have a vinyl copy and a TT to play it on?

Living in your means has nothing to do with it.

Its a vinyl Record/ LP thread.

Stu.


Posted on: 21 July 2012 by analogmusic

Stu - what's wrong with you man? It's obvious this is a thread about the Vinyl.

 

I have purchased last night the said double vinyl of the wall and I have a turntable.

 

my question (again) is : the LP sounds very analog to my humble ears, doesn't appear to be any digital between the analog tape and the Vinyl pressing.

 

If - this was indeed sourced from the digital remaster, it sounds like a very good case for digital. But I doubt it. 

 

Posted on: 21 July 2012 by Gale 401

Nothing wrong with me.

Why did you not just answer my question when i asked what do you play your vinyl on?

There is loads of info about how the 2011 Floyd remasters were done/recorded on the tinternet.

Stu.

Posted on: 22 July 2012 by naim_nymph

I purchased an original vinyl copy [gatefold 2xLP] back in 1980 very soon after it's release which i think was late in 1979.

 

It had loads of surface noise, a very annoying crackle intro, and a place where the needle would get stuck.

It was replaced in the shop with another copy but this had the same bad pressing problems in the same places.

Two of my friends also had copies of this first [or very early] issue, and theirs had were the same bad pressings.

Were these just a bad batch or was this how they all were?

 

I sold my old vinyl copy years ago but somewhere i have my 'AD90 TDK' tape recording of my copy just to remind me how bad it was... may dig it out later just for a laugh.

 

Old vinyl vs New - there may be some augument with SQ and sound engineering but i'm not going overboard with how wonderful the old copies really were, especially in this case.

 

Debs