Unitiserve SSD with NAS

Posted by: The Meerkat on 31 March 2012

Firstly, I apologise to all, as I have asked a similar question before...

 

My new Unitiserve SSD should arrive any day now, but before it's arrival, I thought I'd purchase my NAS drive to make sure that it is all set up and ready. Because I had gone for the more expensive version of the Unitiserve, I thought I'd get a cheaper NAS drive, WD 'My Book Live'. Cut a very long story short, the software is terrible and the device won't 'sleep'. So, it's going back to where I bought it. (Buy cheap, buy twice!)

 

Please, can anyone suggest a NAS drive that is Mac friendly and will go well with My Unitiserve SSD. I really only need about 1TB of space, but am happy to get a two enclosure unit.

 

Many thanks

Posted on: 31 March 2012 by Geoff P

A few questions:

 

Why would you want your NAS to sleep. It will have to be rescanned every time it starts up?

 

Are you going to serve music direct via ethernet or are you going to go thru' the MAC via USB SPDIF?

 

What do you want to use as you're software media server? Do you want it sitting on the NAS or the MAC?

 

regards

geoff

Posted on: 31 March 2012 by The Meerkat

Hi Geoff

 

I think that at night the device would perhaps need to power down, (standby mode), or when not in use. Do I have that wrong? Not really using it for Back ups, more for just storing Hi Res music files.

 

Not via the iMac. Both Unitiserve and NAS connected to router.

 

Not too sure what you mean on the last question.

 

David

Posted on: 31 March 2012 by Geoff P

Normally it is best to keep the NAS running 24/7 and the network connection continuously up. This ensures that the IP addresses remain stable so that the NAS and US 'see' each other, ( you don't want them changing once assigned).

 

Presumably you are planning to use the Unitiserve to act as the media server which will scan and keep updated about what music you have on the NAS which is the other reason to keep both on all the time so you don't have to rebuild the music library info after a power off which takes time, especially as the amount of music stored increases.

 

QNAPS NAS are pretty popular so they are worth checking out. The other thing you will want to do is backup your music library to a second disc for safety. Using RAID is not a completely safe way to ensure this. The best way is to use a completely separate USB attachable HDD for this.

 

regards

Geoff 

 

Posted on: 31 March 2012 by The Meerkat

Thank you Geoff

 

What you are saying about the NAS makes sense. Definitely need the IP addresses to be stable. I just thought that having the drive continuously on the move would give it/them a short life span.

 

Yes, I will be using the Unitiserve as the media server. And again, it makes sense to leave them both on.

 

I will definitely be using a separate USB drive to back up all the files.

 

Thanks

 

David 

Posted on: 01 April 2012 by GeeJay

Using a Synology DS212 NAS with 2 x 2Tb drives (mirrored RAID), and works fine with my NDX streamer.  The DS212 is left on permanently,however does automatically go into standby mode if not being accessed (indicated by a single slowly blinking LED on the front panel).  It 'wakes on LAN' automatically (e.g. when I start listening to music again or turn on my PC), and takes 10-15 seconds before the discs respin back up to speed again.  As not turned off ever, IP address never changes, but does save power when it stands down.  Best of both worlds?

 

Other brands of NAS may do the same thing.

 

Hope helps?

Posted on: 01 April 2012 by The Meerkat

Thanks for your reply GeeJay.

 

Regards

 

David

Posted on: 07 April 2012 by xsquid
Following on from GeeJay's comment I have 2 x Iomega 2tb Home Media cloud edition. One backs up to the other plus a plug in USB potable device as a further backup. Nothing fancy but at a unit cost of £120-£130 represented good value 6 months ago. Main NAS as does the back up is set up to go into energy saving mode after half an hours inactivity - never had any problem when accessing via the UnitiServe SSD when wanting to play music.
Posted on: 07 April 2012 by xsquid
.....using my Belkin switch/router I did reserve the IP address to the relevant devices so as to ensure no issue arose.
Posted on: 07 April 2012 by The Meerkat

Thank for that. I sent the 'My Book live' back, and now have a Qnap NAS TS-112. Touch wood it is very Mac friendly.

 

Still waiting for my Unitiserve SSD to arrive...It's been nearly 3 weeks!!!

 

Will the Unitiserve SSD find the Qnap NAS immediately, or will I have to start portforwarding and all that stuff?

 

David

Posted on: 07 April 2012 by Foot tapper

Hi David

Good decision to buy a high quality NAS drive such as QNAP or Synology.

 

As you have bought a NAS drive that will take 1 hard disk, do you have another hard drive or an Apple time capsule that you can use to back-up your NAS drive?  It is most distressing to lose a hard drive, when you have ripped hundreds of CDs of music on to it.

 

Best regards, FT

Posted on: 07 April 2012 by xsquid
With my NAS I had to name it - I do not recall any problems as regard IP designation and it being seen on the home network. It was quite easy. I am sure you have already downloaded the manual but the most important task is to designate one of the shared folders as a "store" otherwise it will not Rip. The store is an area on your NAS or anywhere on the network where ripped music is stored - apologies if telling you how to suck eggs. The device is great and will be worth the wait. With a wireless system in the house you can stream the music to your iPhone or ipad anywhere in range using Plugplayer. I think it will run up to 6 streams at any one time. The uniti serve opens up a whole load of new applications and uses - very versatile and convenient to - I have mine connected into my nDAC and the sound is great
Posted on: 07 April 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Hi, yes many home NASes use network addresses as opposed to IP addresses, so you don't have to worry about IP addresses. The layer 2 network address (which is hardwired to the device) is  used by several disk mounting protocols. iP addresses only become important if using web browser access  or you are accessing from a different subnet.

Simon

Posted on: 07 April 2012 by The Meerkat
Thank you Simon  Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

Hi, yes many home NASes use network addresses as opposed to IP addresses, so you don't have to worry about IP addresses. The layer 2 network address (which is hardwired to the device) is  used by several disk mounting protocols. iP addresses only become important if using web browser access  or you are accessing from a different subnet.

Simon

Posted on: 07 April 2012 by The Meerkat

Thank you Simon. The reason that I asked, was that QNAP have a mobile app for iPad. it took me ages and pure quess work how to port forward on my BT router. Something I'd never done before. 

 

Wish they'd hurry up with my Unitiserve, can't wait to get it linked up with my new NAS!!

 

Cheers

 

David

Posted on: 07 April 2012 by The Meerkat

Thanks FT

 

That will be my next task, an external USB drive for back up. A silly question perhaps, are they all much the same? I haven't started ripping as yet, because the Unitiserve hasn't arrived. Hopefully next week.

 

david

Posted on: 08 April 2012 by garyi

No they are not all the same.

 

The qnap can be a bit funny with certain drives. Especially ones with hidden partitions, choose carefully a striaght forward harddrive, not one with dumb ass windows 'features' on.

 

I also recommend getting a usb2 drive not a usb3 this seems to ensure compatibility, and the qnap simply would not utilise the speed anyhow.

Posted on: 08 April 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk

David, I am glad you got it working, confused why you need port forwarding, unless you are sharing on the Internet? In your own home LAN you are staying within your own private subnet, so regular switching is all that is required.

Port forwarding and address mapping is when you want  to route multiple devices /application from a public network (the Internet) to your own private network using privatea class addressing, and you don't what them arbitrarily assigned by the router across the network boundary.

Posted on: 08 April 2012 by HiFiman

Since you have purchased a Qnap TS-112 you could enable Q-Raid which mirrors the internal HDD to an external USB or eSata drive. If the internal HDD fails all you need to do is remove the USB or eSata and install this as the internal replacemet.

 

Another option for backup is to buy another Qnap and enable backup replication between to two NAS boxes. This could of course be on the same network or off site at a friend or families house.

 

I use the second option even though I use a Qnap TS-219 which comes with two mirrored HDD just to give me an offsite.

 

To answer the original question, Qnaps do sleep and return to normal operation without a twonky re-scan. The only time I had to rescan library is when i applied a firmware upgrade to the TS-219.

 

Cheers

Sean

 

 

 

Posted on: 08 April 2012 by The Meerkat

Thanks garyi

 

Yes they can be a bit funny. I had to choose an HDD that was on the Qnap compatibility list. Only yesterday a friend of mine bought a ReadyNas Duo, and inserted a HDD that was not on the Readynas compatibility list, and it is giving him huge grief!! I thought, that providing it was a 3.5 inch SATA, all would do the job? Obviously not.

 

Do you have a Qnap? If so what USB2 HDD are you backing up to?

 

Cheers

Posted on: 08 April 2012 by The Meerkat

Thanks for your reply Sean

 

I think getting another Qnap, then another HDD to go inside is probably just a tad too expensive for me. At present the only thing that I will be using the NAS for, is for storing the ripped music from the Unitiserve SSD (When it arrives) and also Hi-Res music downloads. So at the moment a USB2 HDD should do the job.

 

David

Posted on: 08 April 2012 by The Meerkat

Hi Simon

 

Not sure what happened. I set up the Qnap NAS on my iMac with absolutely no problems. It is very Mac friendly. But when I downloaded their mobile app for iPad, (QMobile) in order to access the NAS away from my home, it wouldn't connect. It was telling me that I had to set up the server address, username and password, etc...I have a BT Home Hub 3, running Bt infinity. Cut a long story short, I went into Portforwarding on the BT Home Hub and renamed the Xbox port to Qnap! Not sure if I was meant to do that? Anyway, my iPad now works with my NAS. Was there an easier way?

 

David