iTunes with more than one device

Posted by: Dungassin on 14 April 2012

My new toy is winging its way to me (iPad3).  Up to now I have been using my iPhone to control the NDX, but having tried n-Stream on my daughter's iPad1, there is no doubt that the iPad works much better for this purpose!  I don't want to have all my iPhone apps, playlists etc installed on the iPad, so how have those of you who already own both gone about having different apps on the iPad / iPhone?  I've looked on the Apple help etc, but they all go on about having different playlists rather than what I want to do.

 

There appear to be various ways of configuring 2 devices separately (I've cut and pasted from an Apple page here).  Bear in mind I am using a Windows 7 laptop :

 

Method One

If you share your computer with other people, you can maintain  separate user accounts for each person who uses the computer. This is  useful especially if each user has different tastes in music or other media; users can maintain separate, personalized iTunes libraries and can customize  their devices' sync settings accordingly.

Mac OS X users:

Learn how to set up additional user accounts.

Windows users:

Look in your computer's Help documentation to learn how to set up additional user accounts. To locate this information:

  1. Click the Start Menu, and then click Help or Help and Support.
  2. Enter "new user" in the Search field.
  3. Press Return.

If you create multiple user accounts on one computer but want the same media to be available in iTunes for all users, see iTunes: How to share music between different accounts on a single computer.

Method Two

You may use multiple devices on a computer without the need to create multiple user  accounts. To do this, you can set iTunes to update each device with only  certain playlists. This method allows you to put all your music on, say,  your iPod and keep your iPod shuffle updated with only your workout music. Here's how to do this with iTunes:

  1. Create  new iTunes playlists  that contain all the music that you want to sync to each device.
  2. Learn how to  sync your device.

Note: iTunes for Windows does not support syncing multiple iPod devices at the same time.

Method Three

Create a separate iTunes library for each device. Note: It is important that you make a new iTunes Library file. Do not just make a copy of your existing iTunes Library file. If iTunes is open, quit it.

  1. Mac users: Hold down the Option key while you open iTunes. Windows users: Hold down the Shift key while you open iTunes.
  2. In the dialog that appears, click Create Library.
  3. Name and save the alternate library file. iTunes opens with your brand new library file.
  4. Open iTunes Preferences. Choose iTunes > Preferences (Mac) or Edit > Preferences (Windows).
  5. Click the Advanced tab.
  6. Deselect the "Copy files to iTunes Media folder when adding to library" checkbox if it is already selected and click OK. This will prevent iTunes from creating duplicates of your existing media files in the new library folder. itunes Advanced Preferences
  7. Add the specific media files you want on your device to iTunes either by dragging them into iTunes or choosing File > Add to Library (Mac) or File > Add File to Library or Add Folder to Library (Windows).
  8. Once you have the iTunes Library just how you want it, connect and sync your device.
  9. Once the sync is complete, quit iTunes.
  10. Mac users: Hold down the Option key while you open iTunes. Windows users: Hold down the Shift key while you open iTunes.
  11. Click Choose library.
  12. Choose your original iTunes Library and click Choose (Mac Users) or Open (Windows Users). You can now switch back and forth between the different libraries for different devices.

 

Which of these options would you suggest?  I assume method one would also involve setting up a separate Apple ID for the iPad (or am I wrong?)

 

Posted on: 14 April 2012 by IT

It's simple if I understand your needs correctly.

 

In iTunes you simply "tick" the playlists, apps, photos, etc that you want to synch with your device.

 

It can be different for each device.  I have at least 5 iDevices all synched to the same iTunes library on an iMac and they all have a different selection of music, bit rate, apps, photos, e-mail accounts, etc.

 

IT

Posted on: 14 April 2012 by Simon Everest

Yup, option 2. It's a doddle. I've got a selection of devices, iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch, all doing different things, with different apps and playlists on each.

 

Simon

Posted on: 14 April 2012 by Dungassin

Thanks to both of you.  I assume you also have to disable the automatic sync when you connect either device?

Posted on: 14 April 2012 by Simon Everest
Originally Posted by Dungassin:

Thanks to both of you.  I assume you also have to disable the automatic sync when you connect either device?

It's up to you. Can't think of any reason why you wouldn't though…

 

Simon

Posted on: 14 April 2012 by IT

Not necessarily.

 

I don't normally use the auto synch but no reason that you couldn't.

It would only synch what you have selected for the particular device connected.

 

Each device has a unique ID and is treated independently.

For example, I have two iPhone 4S devices synched with the same library but with a different selection of apps and music.  It knows which one is which ;-)

 

Apple want you to buy lots of iDevices, they made it work.

Nothing is perfect but in my experience multiple iDevices to a single library works very well.

 

Maintaining multiple iTunes libraries in synch across several different Macs and PC is a bit more difficult but that's because Apple have not tried to make it easy.  Yet.

 

IT

Posted on: 14 April 2012 by pcstockton

Right.... but the most annoying thing is that you cannot sync with more than one computer.  Worst aspect ever of iTunes and iOS devices.

Posted on: 14 April 2012 by James L
Originally Posted by pcstockton:

Right.... but the most annoying thing is that you cannot sync with more than one computer.  Worst aspect ever of iTunes and iOS devices.

I guess it's Apple's way of trying to stop easy file sharing? For example, not being able to dump your iPod contents on your mates computer.

Posted on: 15 April 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk

But apple allow you to register your content across - from memory - five different computers, so why couldn't those five iTunes be merged... 

 

Anyway I use Option 2 with my iTunes running on Windows, and it works reasonably well with different playlists / selections for iPhone and iPad, and i llike now how you can sync wirelessly. But we do have islands of iTunes on other Windows boxes and MacBooks which is frustrating, as I can't find an easy way to get round it and merge them.

 

Simon

 

 

Posted on: 15 April 2012 by pcstockton
Originally Posted by James L:
Originally Posted by pcstockton:

Right.... but the most annoying thing is that you cannot sync with more than one computer.  Worst aspect ever of iTunes and iOS devices.

I guess it's Apple's way of trying to stop easy file sharing? For example, not being able to dump your iPod contents on your mates computer.

Right.... like they cant figure out a way to prevent that .  That is a weak explanation for why i cannot sync my contacts and calendar in 2 places.

 

you cant explain this one away.

Posted on: 15 April 2012 by Dungassin

I feel reassured that it's not going to be difficult to set up the iPad3 when it arrives (hopefully tomorrow!).  Thanks for the replies.

Posted on: 15 April 2012 by Slioch
Originally Posted by pcstockton:
Originally Posted by James L:
Originally Posted by pcstockton:

Right.... but the most annoying thing is that you cannot sync with more than one computer.  Worst aspect ever of iTunes and iOS devices.

I guess it's Apple's way of trying to stop easy file sharing? For example, not being able to dump your iPod contents on your mates computer.

Right.... like they cant figure out a way to prevent that .  That is a weak explanation for why i cannot sync my contacts and calendar in 2 places.

 

you cant explain this one away.

My understanding is that Apple's answer is iCloud..... So desktop/laptop isn't needed. And all your devices (either mobile or *top) can select from the full set of stuff you've uploaded.  [And if you buy from them then you won't need to do that]

 

A key dependency to get that really working is deployment of 4G for mobile and fibre comms coverage to a really high percentage of homes/premises. 

 

To be clear - I'm not recommending this in any way, just sharing the story that Apple have started pushing.  Since cloud technology is the next Big Thing in computing, Apple's approach is not even very radical - just easier to use (well, maybe not yet).  Success for Apple probably doesn't include catering for audiophiles...

Posted on: 15 April 2012 by James L

 

PCStockton

 

As Slioch mentions, I'm also using iCloud for contacts and calendar.

It's definitely worth setting up.

 

However for music file use, iCloud isn't there yet mainly due to the cost and depending on your location, consistent download speeds.

 

 

Posted on: 15 April 2012 by pcstockton

I have zero interest in sharing all of my VERY personal data with any cloud but my own.

Posted on: 15 April 2012 by pcstockton

For music I dont sync anything to my various iDevices any longer.  I serve up my own "cloud" via J River.  3G can stream 320/V0 mp3s without any issues.  Full FLAC results in a few drop-outs per song.

 

I have two servers set up for this reason.  One for use on the home network, sending out uncompressed music for the backyard, basement or bedroom.  The other transcodes to 320 for streaming when in the car, at work and friends house etc...

 

Cheers!

Patrick

Posted on: 15 April 2012 by IT
Originally Posted by pcstockton:

Right.... but the most annoying thing is that you cannot sync with more than one computer.  Worst aspect ever of iTunes and iOS devices.

Actually I synch both an iPhone and an iPad with two different computers - an iMac and a MacBook Pro when I'm travelling / working remotely.  I wouldn't say it's simple but it can be done.  I use that old Unix favourite rsynch to keep various iTunes libraries in synch.

 

I'm sure you could do similar with PC's using something like robocopy.

 

If you prefer your PCs with JRiver rather than iTunes then great.  Nothing wrong with that.

We are all free to use whatever we prefer.

 

 

IT

Posted on: 15 April 2012 by IT
Originally Posted by pcstockton:

For music I dont sync anything to my various iDevices any longer.  I serve up my own "cloud" via J River.  3G can stream 320/V0 mp3s without any issues.  Full FLAC results in a few drop-outs per song.

 

 

Patrick,

Please tell us which 3G network you are using (I assume in the UK).

If you can reliably stream 320kbps into the car when travelling without drop outs then I'm greatly impressed.  I'd like to try some of that !

 

IT

Posted on: 15 April 2012 by pcstockton

IT,

 

I am in the US on AT&T's network.  320s play just fine over 3G.  I am guessing things will get even better with 4G, but since I dont have a 4s, I dont pick up 4G signals yet.  But my friends that have them often see 4G pop up at the top of the screen.

 

$25 for unlimited data package was a no-brainer.

Posted on: 15 April 2012 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by pcstockton:

I have zero interest in sharing all of my VERY personal data with any cloud but my own.

I don't have much personal data in which anyone would be remotely interested (access codes to financial accounts that would let people steal my money notwithstanding). My data isn't really that interesting, let alone able to be categorized as "VERY personal". If I posted it on the interent few would be bothered to look at it. And if they did, it would hardly cause me harm.

 

Disclaimer: I'm being deliberately naive here, and look forward to being comprehensively corrected.

Posted on: 16 April 2012 by Gavin B

Simon-in-Suffolk

 

To copy the stuff from a 'smaller' iTunes database, copy the artist/album folders from the iTunes folder onto a memory stick.  Swithc to the other machine, then drag those folders from Explorer into the open iTunes app.  This at least works with two machines using the same AppleID.  I've used this to rip CDs that refuse to do so on my main machine.

 

Gavin 

Posted on: 16 April 2012 by pcstockton
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
Originally Posted by pcstockton:

I have zero interest in sharing all of my VERY personal data with any cloud but my own.

I don't have much personal data in which anyone would be remotely interested (access codes to financial accounts that would let people steal my money notwithstanding). My data isn't really that interesting, let alone able to be categorized as "VERY personal". If I posted it on the interent few would be bothered to look at it. And if they did, it would hardly cause me harm.

 

Disclaimer: I'm being deliberately naive here, and look forward to being comprehensively corrected.

I am not so worried about someone stealing my money or identity.  I simply dont like entities such as Facebook, Google or Apple having ALL of my friend's contact information, calendars, birthdays, pictures, email addresses etc...  I am not going to freely give this information to these companies so they can make grips of money exploiting my data for marketing purposes.  I dont have anything to hide but rather am not going to help them further deepen their pockets without compensation.

 

Those Facebook "Apps" and "Games" are deplorable.  They expose your entire Faceworld, and all of your friends to their marketing wing which then crush you with ads and spam emails all over the place.  ANYONE who thinks Facebook exists as anything other than a data mine for marketing purposes (at best) is crazy.  Regardless of how and why FB started, they have ZERO interest in you connecting with old friends.

 

- Patrick

Posted on: 16 April 2012 by Guido Fawkes
Originally Posted by Gavin B:

Simon-in-Suffolk

 

To copy the stuff from a 'smaller' iTunes database, copy the artist/album folders from the iTunes folder onto a memory stick.  Swithc to the other machine, then drag those folders from Explorer into the open iTunes app.  This at least works with two machines using the same AppleID.  I've used this to rip CDs that refuse to do so on my main machine.

 

Gavin 

I think it'll work even if the two machines do not have the same Apple ID. 

 

I've move files from one Mac to another simply booting one in target mode so the other sees it as an external drive and then just drag the files exactly as you say. In true Apple style it just works. 

Posted on: 16 April 2012 by Guido Fawkes

> I simply dont like entities such as Facebook, Google or Apple having ALL of my friend's contact information, calendars, birthdays, pictures, email addresses etc...


+1 - no way would I give such information to Facebook, Google or Microsoft, as I don't trust 'em. For me unless my data are encrypted then they ain't going nowhere - who knows where the data goes and what jurisdiction it is under - god save the data protection act. 


In the UK - councils used to sell our data to marketing tyrants, but fortunately you now have the right to stop them; similarly I was able to stop my employer storing any of my personnel records outside of Europe. I hope that soon we can stop Google publishing pictures of our houses which is disgusting thing to do without permission.


I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own ... 

Posted on: 16 April 2012 by Tony2011

There are national institutions selling your personal info/details  to corporate orgs/news and you're worried about online sites!

Oh, dear!

Tony

Posted on: 16 April 2012 by Slioch
Originally Posted by Guido Fawkes:

> I simply dont like entities such as Facebook, Google or Apple having ALL of my friend's contact information, calendars, birthdays, pictures, email addresses etc...


+1 - no way would I give such information to Facebook, Google or Microsoft, as I don't trust 'em. For me unless my data are encrypted then they ain't going nowhere - who knows where the data goes and what jurisdiction it is under - god save the data protection act. 


In the UK - councils used to sell our data to marketing tyrants, but fortunately you now have the right to stop them; similarly I was able to stop my employer storing any of my personnel records outside of Europe. I hope that soon we can stop Google publishing pictures of our houses which is disgusting thing to do without permission.


I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own ... 

Indeed. As the man said - 'I am not a number'

 

But everyone has to make their own call on this.  My friends and acquaintances are now widely spread and of the generations that mean social media is how they are active/how they communicate.  So for me I've found that you can use these things in a way that is less obtrusive.  I've never had spam or ads (that I've noticed) from Facebook.  I use googlemail but never log in to the web interface so never see an ad.  I've never caught Apple using anything at all (though of course on IOS devices they do enable others).  

 

And all three of those companies (plus Microsoft) don't care.  Those of us who take this relatively seriously (either by rejecting it or aggressively controlling access) are a small minority.  But these are global companies with a genuinely global audience, and the revenue numbers rack up for them.    The weakness in being in the small minority is that all four are unlikely to cater directly for our needs.

Posted on: 17 April 2012 by pcstockton

google mail is crazy.

 

Read the small print of the agreement you made with them.

 

EVERY SINGLE email you send and receive are property of Google to do with as they please.

 

Our children's children are going to HATE us for giving these companies every single little piece of data needed to basically control the worlds around us.

 

On the other hand, TONS of people actually like ads and being specifically marketed to.

 

Google search engine is equally bad.  Take note of the ads you start seeing all over the place after you search for something seemingly innocuous on Google.  Not that it stops me.  It just freaks me out.

 

-Patrick