Kraftwerk

Posted by: tonaimbutafew on 25 April 2012

I just thought I'd share something with every one here. I'm a bit of an addict an regularly view the forum on the iPhone app
As I find what many of you write to be educational an interesting. Someone a while back, I believe to be one of our German compadres talking about the works of kraftwerk. I got onto the great wide web
An started to listen to their music an I'm shocked that I have never heard of them. They are amazing. I was even more shocked when I heard a song on computer world an 81 album an a song on there has a tune that I clearly recognised as Coldplay. I loved rush of blood to the head but their music since had made me cringe an forced me to turn the radio off when ever I hear them. I'm enraged more so that they have blatantly stolen some music from another band it makes me think what else they have done. I don't know the song name but does anyone else know the song I'm on about an too have heard it an know that cold play have copied it?

Many thanks

Clare
Posted on: 25 April 2012 by Chief Chirpa

Yeah, it's 'Talk' from X&Y.

 

I remember reading somewhere about how Coldplay wrote a long and grovelling letter to Kraftwerk, asking if they could use the melody from 'Computer Love'. Kraftwerk's Ralf's Hutter apparently wrote them a succinct reply: 'Yes.'

Posted on: 25 April 2012 by Gale 401

It was not a grovelling letter.

They asked nice?

The computer could of said No cough.

Stu.

Posted on: 25 April 2012 by Chief Chirpa

Oh, and some of this Jon Hopkins number is on a couple of tracks on Coldplay's Viva La Vida album...

 

 

...and there's some of Sigur Ros's Takk and some of a Leonard Cohen track on their last album.

 

 

Posted on: 26 April 2012 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Clare, I am glad you found Kraftwek. I found the band a major inspiration when I was growing up. Early albums like Kraftwerk / Kraftwerk 2 / Ralph and Florian/ Radioactivity  and Autobahn were/are mesmerising. The band also designed and made some of thier electronic instruments (as there was no real alternative) .. Again fantastic and something I copied too when a teenager with varing degrees of success (or failure &nbsp  in a few 'bands' making cassettes, singles and fanzines (ahh the days before mp3, Internet and social media).

Kraftwek were a significant influence to the industrial synthetic and / or repetitive  rhythms used in a lot of the early synth band /  new romantic stuff in the UK and electro/hip hop in the US. Truly that band has had a major influence on many current music genres. Genius.

Simon

Posted on: 26 April 2012 by hungryhalibut
Kraftwerk: genius. Coldplay: drivel.
Posted on: 26 April 2012 by Jono 13
Originally Posted by Lord Emsworth:
Kraftwerk: genius. Coldplay: drivel.

+1

 

Some of the most interesting and original sounds from the '70's and early '80's vs some of the most dire and derivative noise of the last few years is no contest.

 

The live Minimum-Maximum album is just brilliant and the Hot Chip remixes are well worth a listen.

 

Jono

Posted on: 26 April 2012 by JamieL_v2

Always happy to hear someone is enjoying the music of Kraftwerk. They are a fantastic live band too, with a great sense of humour, self depreciation and spectacle.

 

Clare I hope you enjoy discovering their music, there are quite a few threads on here about them if you have look, and many bands influenced by them, especially the techno scene in the 90's and the electro pop of the 80's.

 

Their website is great fun too, especially if you navigate to the old version.

 

 

Posted on: 26 April 2012 by Guido Fawkes
Originally Posted by Jono 13:
Originally Posted by Lord Emsworth:
Kraftwerk: genius. Coldplay: drivel.

+1

 

Jono

+2 and then some

 

I love Kraftwerk's music; however some of the bands that cite them as an influence are not for me. A keyboard player being able to press one key on a Fairlight is a bit like brown shoes, they don't make it for me. The Synclavier is a different matter though and in the right hands an amazing synth. 

 

The spin off band from Kraftwerk, Neu! are also excellent. Wallenstein, Ash Ra Temple, and of course, Tangerine Dream made some superb records. 

 

There are number of superb German electronic bands and if you want to look beyond Germany then T.O.N.T.O Expanding Headband and, our very own, BBC Radiophonic Workshop (led by one of the greatest figures of 20th century music: Delia Derbyshire) produced some magnificent recordings (White Noise: An Electric Storm being a work of undoubted genius in my view) and forget not the Silver Apples or the pioneering  Paul Beaver and Bernie Krause.   


A number of groups successfully mixed electronics with conventional sounds: Barclay James Harvest, the Moody Blues, King Crimson and the wonderful Emerson-Lake-Palmer (although there are some nay-sayers hereon - well each to his own, as long as its not PC), 


All the best, Guy 

Posted on: 27 April 2012 by Harry

If they never put out another tune their output to date will be sufficient to see me out. They have been a mainstay in my collection since the 70s. Often a pointer to where mass popular rubbish will be going 5-10 years into the future. Copied, sampled, imitated but never equaled. More clever than it often sounds on first listen and surprisingly timeless. I just hope they put out some HiRes.

Posted on: 28 April 2012 by tonaimbutafew
Thanks for all yr replies I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates cold play. Can anyone recommend a couple of albums to buy as a starting point. Many thanks, Clare
Posted on: 28 April 2012 by Harry

The MIx. A nice and nicely remixed cross section, mostly of their mid era output. Minimum Maximum - excellent concert, excellent live recording. Or you could just shell out for The Catalogue - job done and not a duffer in it. 

Posted on: 29 April 2012 by tonaimbutafew
Yeah I saw the catalogue it's tempting as not a bad price but I've done that before an only like a few songs. Need to test the water first an buy a couple of albums. Clare
Posted on: 29 April 2012 by JamieL_v2
Originally Posted by Harry:

The MIx. A nice and nicely remixed cross section, mostly of their mid era output. Minimum Maximum - excellent concert, excellent live recording. Or you could just shell out for The Catalogue - job done and not a duffer in it. 

Just to second Harry's suggestions 'The Mix' and 'Minimum Maximum' are a brilliant place to start. If you are coming from music from the last couple of decades, then they offer a more modern feel to their songs as well as an overview of their output from 1975 onwards.

 

Although 'Minimum Maximum' is live, the sound is so clear, and the versions so sharp, there is no loss of quality or performance by getting this live album.

 

'The Mix' is an interesting album, as the technology had changed so much since many of their albums had been recorded, they decided that rather than releasing a 'best of' album, they would re-record a studio album of how those tracks would sound using current technology (in 1991).

 

Guido' suggestions are good if you are coming from 60's and 70's music, but if not, the sounds might be a bit alien at first., but they are good choices if that is how you wish to explore their music.

 

The quality of recording is also something that is likely to appeal to Naim fans, I use several of their albums for demo music.

 

I do envy you a little, the thought of discovering the music of such a wonderful band for the first time is something to savour.

 

Have fun.

 

Posted on: 29 April 2012 by Harry

Two good points above. Coming into Kraftwerk afresh in 2012 is a voyage with very little (if any) disappointment. And sound quality wise it's all good. It's not often you get both together. Prepare to be spoilt.

Posted on: 29 April 2012 by Guido Fawkes

> Guido' suggestions are good if you are coming from 60's and 70's music, but if not, the sounds might be a bit alien at first ... 

 

Very fair point - I grew up in 1960/70s so I tend to think of Kraftwerk as a very good band grew up with - at the time the jury at college was out, but I definitely liked them as they were excitingly different - not as accessible as guitar orientated groups like Amon Duul or Can (two very fine bands).

 

For me Kraftwerk changed (progressed though I think change because it was different rather than drastically better, but certainly very good) from their experimental beginnings to a more commercial sound - I remember buying Man Machine when it first came out and thinking ... hmm The Model sounds like a hit single. It was some years later that happened when I least expected it. You could never identify a potential hit single on the first three albums. Authobahn was a massive hit, of course, and probably a transitional point for the group. 


My favourite Kraftwerk albums are probably Computer World and Trans-Europe-Express - you can listen to lots of Kraftwerk on YouTube and you'll soon pick out the albums you like best. 


If you try some Delia Derbyshire, which pre-dates, much of Kraftwerk then it is different. It is pre-synth electronic music, but I'm sure Delia would have been enamoured by the pocket calculator. Delia created the theme to Doctor Who (although this is officially credited to Ron Gainer, much to his embarrassment and protestations as he didn't feel it was his, but the BBC decided it was better to have a man's name in the credits) - however, that theme is more melodic than most of her output. 

Posted on: 29 April 2012 by tonaimbutafew
That's great thanks will have a good look through an see what I like. Thanks