New Naim NDX

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Originally posted by Julian H:

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Originally posted by Nero:

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Originally posted by Polarbear:

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Originally posted by abbydog:

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A new high end streamer is launched.

So £3K is high end now???

Plus NDAC, plus 555psu and three more layers of Fraim!

according to Malcolm Steward, the reference system is now NDX + 555PS + DAC + 555PS. Which, with a 552 and 500 makes 8 boxes. Suddenly, the CD555 starts to look attractive again

To be fair, you don't have to buy the power supplies, So that's only a two box source solution, as a CD555. You could argue that the ultimate CD555 is a three box solution anyway

Let's all box on then.......

Engelbert

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Plus NDAC, plus 555psu and three more layers of Fraim!

Yeah, buy a cheap box and then try to make it high end with add-on junk.

Might as well just buy Nordost Odin for your Cambridge Audio set, I think...

Servers,01,02,hdx,unitiserve and SSD variants all contain naim ripping and therefore could used in conjunction with the NDX for best sound option.
The N-DAC is an upgrade to the NDX you will just have to do them dem and decide for yourselves.The N-Dac has a its own psu to drive its requirements and an enviroment which is optimised for its performance,the dac in the NDX shares the same internal psu as the streaming and other sections though this can be isolated and turned off when used with the external psu upgrade. This still leaves noise from the streaming section which the N-dac does not have to deal with.
In the end its all about finding the right road for your personal needs of replaying music in the home from a variety of sources. I think our road map is clear with NAIM we care about the source so provide ripping,tested storage ptions and control and now networked players which benefit from this strategy to get the best playback. If you do not wish to go to these heights to gain best performance then so be it, we strive to achieve the best we can and offer this to our customers.
The new technologies are part of a new challenging and exciting road forward,I think we have shown our hand in that we wish to be involved in,a future of wonderful music replay.

Well done to the team at Naim, the NDX looks like a great new product and I can't wait to hear it.

regards Dev

Eloise puts it very well, we will need to wait to hear it, and the product appears to be exactly what people have been asking for. While the abilty to upgrade is great, I think Naim may be missing the spirit of the way we seem to going in that many want great sound from fewer boxes. Taken to its ultimate the NDX with say a unitiserve a dac and two power supplies gives 5 boxes and costs about £18,000. You can see the appeal of the top Linn streamer, just one box and a far lower price.

Nigel

Paul.

It's alright! These are just the initial reactions to the NDX which none of us has heard or seen or touched. When it has been made available people will be able to make up their minds if the NDX is product that they will want to buy.

My need for some time in the future is a standalone quality (wireless?) streamer that will better what I own right now. Naim already has an excellent DAC that I will demo when I am ready to make that move. If the NDX is better than my current streamer (which I bet it is) and matches the NDAC with regard to sound quality, this is probably the road that I will take.

Best wishes,
Peter

Paul,

Can I just ask for clarification regarding the NDX and its variants - will there be a straightforward streamer box without DAC and digital inputs?

If not then I guess I stick with my Transporter as a digital source to the nDAC.

Agreed the NDX looks like a nice product but it cannot surely make sense to upgrade it with the nDAC if you already have this. That means its a £3k spend for the streaming and iRadio functionality.

Regards,
Craig.

Craig

That is a good question. Would the NDX sound any better than a qute if you already have the dac? If so, a qute sans amp for say £900 would be even better.

Nigel

Does anyone know what configuration will be on dem in Colchester?

A question to Naim ... do you see the NDX (stand alone) as being above or below the HDX? This is a question purely on SQ, I know the HDX has the ripping capability and the ability to act as a server for other UPnP products.

Eloise

Must ay in my eyes once again Naim has done a good job - fairly unique product that makes complete sense! I like it.

Though i agree with the others it would make little sense to upgrade with a ndac - sure a serve and ndac would be better and cheaper?

Congrats Naim...type of product I was looking for but as suspected, once I saw the price I knew the DAC would be an upgrade. But begs the question on the streaming end, is the streaming better than Qute/Uniti?

I think with all of these products Naim is clearly confusing the customer and needs to offer a comparison chart similar to what Apple does with their products.

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Originally posted by Plinko:
Congrats Naim...type of product I was looking for but as suspected, once I saw the price I knew the DAC would be an upgrade. But begs the question on the streaming end, is the streaming better than Qute/Uniti?

I think with all of these products Naim is clearly confusing the customer and needs to offer a comparison chart similar to what Apple does with their products.

Thats why you go into a dealer and ask/demo what product is best for you...

Eloise

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I think with all of these products Naim is clearly confusing the customer and needs to offer a comparison chart similar to what Apple does with their products.

Eloise puts it well.

I will be interested to hear the NDX with and without 555PS, when it is on the shelf in the local Naim shop, compared to my Akurate DS which is priced between the two NDX configurations I defined.

The Linn solution has an elegance being in one box and is a mature product now which has been evolved to a fine and easy to implement performance.

Congrats to Naim for announcing their solution and I hope the road to completion is not too rocky.

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geoff

So, am I right in thinking that if you have naim dac already, you can add a unitiserve, and have no need for the hdx? The former is a lot cheaper, but does it sound as good?

Mr Thicky

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Originally posted by hungryhalibut:
So, am I right in thinking that if you have naim dac already, you can add a unitiserve, and have no need for the hdx? The former is a lot cheaper, but does it sound as good?

Mr Thicky

I would really hope the rip is bitperfect on both and the digital out is also.

So my answer would be yes

You can see the appeal of the top Linn streamer, just one box and a far lower price.

Nigel,have a listen to our 1 box,I think you will be surprised it may be just more than enough for you.

By the 'one box' do you mean the standalone unupgraded ndx, or the uniti?

Nigel

So this is an upmarket version of the UnitiQute?

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Originally posted by Markus S:
So this is an upmarket version of the UnitiQute?

Yes

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Thats why you go into a dealer and ask/demo what product is best for you...

Eloise

Are you talking about the dealers that were raving about the CD5XS/CDX2XS into a Naim Dac just last year (only to be supplanted by an obviously superior streaming solution shortly thereafter)? Or, are you talking about the dealer that didn't know how to connect a Unitqute to his router?

Just kidding (I know there are good dealers and partners of Naim). A simple chart on the website would answer a lot of these questions and Phil wouldn't have to post. This would help Naim "manage" their customers.

Too much to ask I guess. Better to have all the pertinent questions addressed in random threads.

PS, Eloise, many in the USA rely on word of mouth and other less tangible information. I believe I would have to travel seven hours by car to get to the Naim dealer that is knowledgeable about these products.

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well done. time for me to get out my MS Visio, I suppose.

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Originally posted by Eloise:

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Originally posted by Markus S:
So this is an upmarket version of the UnitiQute?

Yes

But without amps, which makes it totally different to the Qute? More of a stripped down HDX with additional dac facilities.

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Originally posted by Eloise:
Thats why you go into a dealer and ask/demo what product is best for you...

Eloise

Are you talking about the dealers that were raving about the CD5XS/CDX2XS into a Naim Dac just last year (only to be supplanted by an obviously superior streaming solution shortly thereafter)? Or, are you talking about the dealer that didn't know how to connect a Unitqute to his router?

Just kidding (I know there are good dealers and partners of Naim). A simple chart on the website would answer a lot of these questions and Phil wouldn't have to post. This would help Naim "manage" their customers.

Too much to ask I guess. Better to have all the pertinent questions addressed in random threads.

PS, Eloise, many in the USA rely on word of mouth and other less tangible information. I believe I would have to travel seven hours by car to get to the Naim dealer that is knowledgeable about these products.

Okay - I guess I'm spoiled by the dealers within say 50 miles from me...

I guess the issue with any "chart" is that there are so many ifs and butts. Occean's diagram is fine, but a good dealer would help you though using the devices with your own existing kit, etc. But you're right, a comparison chart would be useful... Which devices have a pre-amp / amplifier; which have fixed level line output; which have digital outputs; etc.

Eloise