New Naim NDX

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Originally posted by Adam Meredith:
Good to see you working Phil.

Good - but weird.

Doc

If I was "working" I wouldn't be on here though...?

Phil

This should have been the first of the new wave of post CD Naim digital products IMO. I think this one box is going to be a big winner and is very encouraging for the future.

Roll on the full ND range...

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Originally posted by Phil Harris:

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Originally posted by jon honeyball:
Clearly I have got this wrong, but naim don't send me press releases to explain this stuff....

So it's a 1300 quid unityqute minus power amps minus variable level outputs minus tuner plus fixed level output plus dinky psu upgrade option plus wide case for nearly three grand?

Only in the same way that a 282 / HiCap / NAP 250 is a £2,600 SuperNait minus the built in digital inputs for £7,590...



Phil

Love the wink, but that really doesnt stack up

Please confirm -- NDX internal OS/firmware is the Uniti family, not the HDX family, yes? :-)

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Originally posted by jon honeyball:
Love the wink, but that really doesnt stack up

Please confirm -- NDX internal OS/firmware is the Uniti family, not the HDX family, yes? :-)

The *FIRMWARE* is based on the Uniti family of products however the *HARDWARE* (beyond some of the subsystems) isn't...

Phil

Paul, Phil, Richard, Doug, Adam,

Since you're all on this thread, can 1 of you answer my question, and don't tell me to visit the dealer because he didn't know what the streaming options were going be 4 months ago when he sold me my nDAC:

How do I add streaming and iRadio to my nDAC, or is the answer you can't and need to add either the Qute or the NDX to the nDAC? Or trade in my nDAC for a standalone NDX?


Regards,
Craig.

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Originally posted by Sister E.:
I think I must be very stupid but has this got anything to do with hi-fi anymore? I can barely understand a word of this. I have a feeling that the hi-fi of the future belongs to computer boffins and not to people who just want to put a disc(of whatever format)on and relax. I just can't imagine buying one of the these new things, taking it home and plugging it in and enjoying some music.
Am I alone in thinking like this? maybe I am.

Not at all!

Just as some people wouldn't consider using anything other than vinyl there are people for whom CDs are their preferred format.

This just happens to be my particular "thing" as I prefer to keep my media locked away and be able to browse easily (call me a lazy audiophile if you like - I won't argue with that description one bit).

Vive la difference!

Phil

keep the dac add the ndx, improved the sound and you get you web radio and all the other features.

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I just can't imagine buying one of the these new things, taking it home and plugging it in and enjoying some music.

That is what the HDX is for. Plug it in, connect to preamp, insert disc and enjoy.

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keep the dac add the hdx, improved the sound and you get you web radio and all the other features.

does this mean the hdx will get internet radio or did you just mean NDX???

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Originally posted by CraigB:
Paul, Phil, Richard, Doug, Adam,

Since you're all on this thread, can 1 of you answer my question, and don't tell me to visit the dealer because he didn't know what the streaming options were going be 4 months ago when he sold me my nDAC:

How do I add streaming and iRadio to my nDAC, or is the answer you can't and need to add either the Qute or the NDX to the nDAC? Or trade in my nDAC for a standalone NDX?


Regards,
Craig.

The nDAC is a DAC ... it doesn't do streaming or Internet Radio. What is does is a very good job of converting an S/PDIF bitstream into music.

If you want to add UPnP streaming and Internet Radio to that then the NDX is a source that will give you that functionality.

Phil

It's good to have new options

On the other hand, if I had just spent a lot of money of HDX or NDAC..... the NDX doesn't necessarily make them redundant or take anything away from them being great products.

For those who want to upgrade to NDX, that's good to because that might mean there could be some NDACs on the second hand market...

Does the NDX have an Ipod digital connection?

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How do I add streaming and iRadio to my nDAC

iPhone/Touch. You dont even need another Naim box to do either with the Naim DAC.

If you want to stream Hires music, you have many options from Naim (HDX, NDX, Serve, Qute) as well as others.

In your case I would get a Uniserve and a iPod Touch to stream internet radio. Although if you are ok with only redbook streaming, the iPod will take care of everything.

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Originally posted by gmischol:

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keep the dac add the hdx, improved the sound and you get you web radio and all the other features.

does this mean the hdx will get internet radio or did you just mean NDX???

No - he meant NDX - it's been a *LOOOOONG* day for us here!

Phil

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Originally posted by Phil Harris:

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Originally posted by gmischol:

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keep the dac add the hdx, improved the sound and you get you web radio and all the other features.

does this mean the hdx will get internet radio or did you just mean NDX???

No - he meant NDX - it's been a *LOOOOONG* day for us here!

Phil

Does NDX connect to iphone/Ipod digitally?

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Originally posted by ali 026:

Does NDX connect to iphone/Ipod digitally?

Yes, given its Uniti family firmware it would be mad if it didnt.

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Originally posted by ali 026:
It's good to have new options

On the other hand, if I had just spent a lot of money of HDX or NDAC..... the NDX doesn't necessarily make them redundant or take anything away from them being great products.

The NDX doesn't actually overlap the HDX in functionality *AT ALL* ... other than they both squirt music out of their back panels!

They are supposed to be complementary with the only possible "duplication" being that the NDX *CAN* play all of the music that the HDX sees because its UPnP client talks to the HDXs UPnP server ...

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Originally posted by ali 026:
For those who want to upgrade to NDX, that's good to because that might mean there could be some NDACs on the second hand market...

Possibly - however I can see in my own system that I'll be using my HDX alongside an NDX into an nDAC and that then into my 252 which then simply gets used to switch between the analogue output of the nDAC and the uniti gain input from my AV2...

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Originally posted by ali 026:
Does the NDX have an Ipod digital connection?

Yes...

Phil

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Originally posted by Phil Harris:

Possibly - however I can see in my own system that I'll be using my HDX alongside an NDX into an nDAC and that then into my 252 which then simply gets used to switch between the analogue output of the nDAC and the uniti gain input from my AV2...

But what can NDX play that HDX cant? What does an NDX bring to your system? Im confused.

Phil,

In your above example, what is the reason for the HDX? Is it in a different room? Or is it for the storage and ripping?

If you didnt have the HDX already, would it be suitable to substitute a Uniserve for the HDX in your example above and not lose functionality?

Thanks!
Patrick

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But what can NDX play that HDX cant

I think the HDX is a UPNP server (NDX is not), and has a ripping drive and internal storage.

The NDX offers internet radio and a better DAC at the expense of storage and serving.

Both can be used standalone. Both can be upgraded with the DAC and PSUs.

I am seeing the beauty of the product line.

thanks!
Patrick

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Originally posted by pcstockton:

The NDX offers internet radio

But so does the unitiqute at less than half the price (1399 versus 3250). The better dac argument is irrelevant cos Phil is using an ndac too.

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Originally posted by jon honeyball:

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Originally posted by pcstockton:

The NDX offers internet radio

But so does the unitiqute at less than half the price (1399 versus 3250). The better dac argument is irrelevant cos Phil is using an ndac too.

Phil confirmed a couple of pages ago that if you already owned a DAC, then the value prop of NDX versus Qute is largely cosmetic:

"...Well, if you wanted something small that would go nicely in a study / kitchen or bedroom then the UnitiQute is a great single box solution.

If you wanted something to go into an existing HiFi stack to give you UPnP playback, Internet Radio, DAB/FM etc. then the NDX is a suitable source component...."

Personally, I would have no problem with seeing the Qute on my HiFi rack. If I wasn't already set with my PC (RME 9632, JRMC), I would consider the Qute to go with my DAC/XPS2. Still, like many others, I hate paying for the bits I wouldn't use. For that same reason, the NDX feels like overkill for a DAC owner. For those starting from scratch, or those with entry-level DAC's, I agree that the NDX promises to be a great single box solution.

Hook

Fascinating read. Perhaps the NDX is exactly what I need in the livingroom to complete my set-up. I may have to let go of the SB Touch and Aune Dac to fund a fragment of the cost of the NDX - they should fetch me a tiny bit more than the £5 offered to Nigel for his CD player.

Best wishes,
Peter

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But so does the unitiqute at less than half the price (1399 versus 3250). The better dac argument is irrelevant cos Phil is using an ndac too.

Well you didn't mention the UniQute. So why the NDX over the UniQute? Is that your real question?

I guess it would be the full size box and PSU upgrade option.

my question was to phil about *his system* which has an HDX and an ndac. I was trying to work out what the value proposition was for NDX *in that system*...

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Originally posted by ghook2020:Phil confirmed a couple of pages ago that if you already owned a DAC, then the value prop of NDX versus Qute is largely cosmetic:

"...Well, if you wanted something small that would go nicely in a study / kitchen or bedroom then the UnitiQute is a great single box solution.

If you wanted something to go into an existing HiFi stack to give you UPnP playback, Internet Radio, DAB/FM etc. then the NDX is a suitable source component...."

Actually no I didn't - what I said was if you need a one-box solution for a study / kitchen or bedroom then the UnitiQute is your answer (everything including preamp and power amps in one box) whereas if what you are wanting is a source component for an existing hifi then the NDX is your man. I didn't make any comments about any other possible functionality differences...

Phil