Another new DAC

Digital?

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Digital?

Well, some of it and some is analogue.

Hasn't this discussion been had?

A DAC is something that takes an S/PDIF bitstream from a transport and converts it into analogue audio.

If you're wanting something that attaches to Ethernet and streams from a UPnP source then that is a renderer which is a much different device and needs a user inerface and much more complex processing to allow navigation, browsing, searching and selection etc.

Hope that clears up the distinction between teh two devices.

Cheers

Phil

Looks good though not ideal for a computer solution without a hiface / INT202 as the USB input is limited to 48Khz

Still it could make a nice companion with Unitiserve or Qute

In the great tradition of the forum i'll say that although i've not heard it, its not as good as the Naim DAC

James

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Originally posted by Julian H:
This time from Rega. I wonder what its like? No Ethernet though, why is it so difficult.....

It would need extra software and a processor to run it - it would also a method for getting its IP address and associated parameters. Then it would need streaming capability .... it is complex.

You could use an Apple TV or similar to do the Ethernet bit and send the data to the DAC through its optical out.

The Rega DAC has a digital out - could it be used as external USB sound card instead of a hiFace EVO for interfacing to the Naim DAC?

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navigation, browsing, searching and selection etc.

Just for clarification these functions are not needed inside the Linn DS boxes. They are provided by the media server software (Asset UPnP for eg) and a remote app such as PlugPlayer on a i-pod touch for example ( as with naim). Also the user interface is no more complicated , probably less, than that provided on Naim boxes, which also in several case provide UPnP connectivity.

Perhaps not so much different.

Or an HDX, Unitiqute and NDX but they're also not DACs. They include DACs. This is just like recievers aren't referred to as preamps or power amps because they happen to be in there.

Those that want all in one streamers, good on you but a DAC is a different species.

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could it be used as external USB sound card instead of a hiFace EVO for interfacing to the Naim DAC?

Yes - but ita a bit limited compared to the Hiface (48khz/16 bit)

James

can please someone tell me , why the serve hd hasn´t got an antenna to get the info from the net, when ripping the cd ? why do i need to lay a cable across the room ?.

if i want to combine a ndx with the serve,it would be clever if the ndx antenna could be borough from the serve. its so complicated and could be so easy.if naim supports an wireless solution in the ndx, but still recommends to use the ethernet, why can´t the serve then have wireless just to get a performance-non-important information ?

Wired connection better and a wifi capability may have encouraged people to connect to their Qute/Uniti wirelessly which can lead to tears.

Tog

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Originally posted by pylod:
can please someone tell me , why the serve hd hasn´t got an antenna to get the info from the net, when ripping the cd ? why do i need to lay a cable across the room ?

You don't. Connect a wireless bridge to the Serve and presto : no cable to trip over !

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No Ethernet though, why is it so difficult.....

'Cos it is. USB also (above 16-bit/48 kHz). Next?

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Originally posted by David Dever:

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No Ethernet though, why is it so difficult.....

'Cos it is. Next?

Employ someone for whom it isn't!

NDX or UnitiQute. Next?

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Just for clarification these functions are not needed inside the Linn DS boxes. They are provided by the media server software

Not true–you still need a internal software stack to make this happen (e.g., Cara).

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Originally posted by David Dever:

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No Ethernet though, why is it so difficult.....

'Cos it is. USB also (above 16-bit/48 kHz). Next?

Oh dear....Apparently not for everybody. Linn and PS Audio seem to make it look easy....and there are plenty of USB enabled DACs around....maybe even Naim can when it rolls its sleeves up (aka NDX??)

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Originally posted by David Dever:

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Just for clarification these functions are not needed inside the Linn DS boxes. They are provided by the media server software

Not true–you still need a internal software stack to make this happen (e.g., Cara).

....and Naim doesn't ?? What drives your box screens?

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Linn and PS Audio seem to make it look easy

The key words there are "seem" and "look".

But doesnt most of those USB-DAC:s just convert it to SPDIF internally before it goes into the DAC-part? And the part used for that is no Evo or Weiss.

One-box stuff is nice (B&O and Linn) but to get most of the music out ... :-)

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Originally posted by Geoff P:

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Originally posted by David Dever:

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No Ethernet though, why is it so difficult.....

'Cos it is. USB also (above 16-bit/48 kHz). Next?

Oh dear....Apparently not for everybody. Linn and PS Audio seem to make it look easy....and there are plenty of USB enabled DACs around....maybe even Naim can when it rolls its sleeves up (aka NDX??)

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Originally posted by Jan-Erik Nordoen:

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Originally posted by pylod:
can please someone tell me , why the serve hd hasn´t got an antenna to get the info from the net, when ripping the cd ? why do i need to lay a cable across the room ?

You don't. Connect a wireless bridge to the Serve and presto : no cable to trip over !

and this will work ?. do you have any concrete suggestions which will work ?own experience ?

Well it seems my lack of knowledge about the technology stirred up a bit of a hornets nest here. Ooops

I must admit to switching off when this digital stuff is discussed. Rather like Patrick does on vinyl...

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can please someone tell me , why the serve hd hasn´t got an antenna to get the info from the net, when ripping the cd ? why do i need to lay a cable across the room ?.

The UnitiServe does not have WiFi built in because - as it is intended to be used as a server - then WiFi is not the most reliable way to connect it to a network.

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if i want to combine a ndx with the serve,it would be clever if the ndx antenna could be borough from the serve. its so complicated and could be so easy.if naim supports an wireless solution in the ndx, but still recommends to use the ethernet, why can´t the serve then have wireless just to get a performance-non-important information ?

I'm not sure what you mean by "it would be clever if the ndx antenna could be borough from the serve".

Wireless connection to client devices are fine(ish) in the great scheme of things because if a client device has a connection issue only one device loses data - if a server device is running wireless and has a connection issue then all your client devices lose data.

If the UnitiServe is being used as it was intended then "performance-non-important information" (CD Lookups) are a negligable part of the units traffic ... I suspect from the comments that you are making that you are using a UsnitiServe as a standalone player into a DAC in which case if you find connecting a wired Ethernet run back to your router to be an issue then you could always *TRY* a set of Ethernet over mains devices (Devolos / HomePlug) but I would never suggest them as suitable for reliable streaming as they - as with wireless - are far too susceptible to external factors affecting throughput.

Phil

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Originally posted by pylod:

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Originally posted by Jan-Erik Nordoen:

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Originally posted by pylod:
can please someone tell me , why the serve hd hasn´t got an antenna to get the info from the net, when ripping the cd ? why do i need to lay a cable across the room ?

You don't. Connect a wireless bridge to the Serve and presto : no cable to trip over !

and this will work ?. do you have any concrete suggestions which will work ?own experience ?

Correct, a wireless bridge (also known as a "gaming adapter") *MAY* also work - it would need setting up on your PC and would give you a transparent bridge from the wired Ethernet of the UnitiServe over to your wireless network however you should be aware of the limitations of the medium that you are about to go over.

Your last statement is "and this will work ?. do you have any concrete suggestions which will work ?own experience ?" which sounds like you're looking for a guarantee that it will work ... the only answer that anyone here can give you to that question is that it *SHOULD* work however no-one here can guarantee that it will as the answer depends upon your particular situation (construction of property, layout of network, proximity to adjacent wireless networks, number of wireless networks in range of your own, channels that those wireless networks are on etc...)

If you are looking for real-word experience of whether wireless "works" or not then all I can tell you is that when I get support calls from customers saying that they are getting broken streams when playing music then *WITHOUT EXCEPTION* it is wireless networking issues - substituting in a wired connection *HAS ALWAYS* (to date anyway) resolved the issue. At that point it's then down to sorting out the customers wireless network arrangements.

Phil

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Originally posted by pylod:

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Originally posted by Jan-Erik Nordoen:

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Originally posted by pylod:
can please someone tell me , why the serve hd hasn´t got an antenna to get the info from the net, when ripping the cd ? why do i need to lay a cable across the room ?

You don't. Connect a wireless bridge to the Serve and presto : no cable to trip over !

and this will work ?. do you have any concrete suggestions which will work ?own experience ?

I know it CAN work.

I use this setup for my video and audio streaming to my PopcornHour (no not a Naim device (yet)).

I specifically chose a bridge (Netgear WNHDEB111, bought a kit of 2 units extremely cheap as surplus from EBay) and router (DLink 855 dual band) combination that could transmit Wireless-N (300Mb/s) on the 5GHz band in order to avoid interference from neighbouring networks (that tend to run on 2.4 GHz band) and also from other devices like microwaves.

I must say it works without a glitch even streaming 1080p videos.

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aleg