Yamaha joined the game

Posted by: Cryptonit on 16 December 2010

Can we have such gear from Naim? XS network player?

Posted on: 16 December 2010 by Aleg

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Originally posted by Cryptonit:
Can we have such gear from Naim? XS network player?

Limited to just 96 kHz sample rate.

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aleg

Posted on: 16 December 2010 by Eloise

Yamaha have been in the game (streamed music) for a long time (Yamaha CAST IIRC).

24/96 is the same limit as Naim's current UPnP streamers (not HDX / UnitiServe).

Posted on: 16 December 2010 by realhifi

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Originally posted by Cryptonit:
Can we have such gear from Naim? XS network player?

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Limited to just 96 kHz sample rate.

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aleg

LIMITED TOO?! If only everything I have on cd could be that way... Heck, cd sound can be terrific if implemented well.

Posted on: 16 December 2010 by Guido Fawkes

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Originally posted by Cryptonit:
Can we have such gear from Naim? XS network player?

No thanks Sound Quality is important and that's something Yamaha haven't really cracked - I have one of their CD recorders - it cuts great CDs, but as a player/transport it is terrible. It also wins my prize for the worst ever remote control.

What's so special about that Yamaha?

Posted on: 16 December 2010 by pcstockton

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What's so special about that Yamaha?

oooooooooo XLRs and iTunes compatability

Posted on: 16 December 2010 by kuma

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Originally posted by ROTF:
What's so special about that Yamaha?

They make decent pianos.

Posted on: 16 December 2010 by Aleg

quote:
Originally posted by Eloise:
Yamaha have been in the game (streamed music) for a long time (Yamaha CAST IIRC).

24/96 is the same limit as Naim's current UPnP streamers (not HDX / UnitiServe).

I know that Naim also use this limitation in their UPnP connections and I think they shouldn't. Current technology of music recording and also available releases have already passed that limit (DVD-A, BluRay, DSD downloads).

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Originally posted by realhifi:
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Limited to just 96 kHz sample rate.

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aleg

LIMITED TOO?! If only everything I have on cd could be that way... Heck, cd sound can be terrific if implemented well.

I know that the best music depends on the mastering applied and CD's are quite capable of showing terrific sound when mastered well. But there are already releases out there that are 192 kHz or recently the new DSD downloads. I feel these companies should keep up with the latest technology because, IMHO, if these new
technologies stick the devices you buy now are 'old' already.

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aleg

Posted on: 16 December 2010 by Tog

That is the way with technology - the amount of music at 96+ is tiny

Tog

Posted on: 16 December 2010 by Alamanka

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Originally posted by kuma:
quote:
Originally posted by ROTF:
What's so special about that Yamaha?

They make decent pianos.

Now, enough is enough! We must react vigorously to this new invasion!

Paul, it is about time you make a decision: when will Naim finally enter the motorcycle market?

Posted on: 16 December 2010 by Tog

So a black aluminium frame with black wheels and black leather .....hmmm

Tog

Posted on: 17 December 2010 by Geoff P

The amount of 192 music is growing and won't go away. It is silly not to offer future proofing.

Naim is confusing in its strategy with the NDX. For music input via SPDIF & USB it will accept 192 but for some silly reason they limit network delivered music to 96....Why!!!!!!

Linn DS boxes don't have any problem playing network delivered 192 files so it ain't a technical barrier. I guess its just Naim being silly. Shame really since I was hoping the NDX would be a truely competetive product to consider in the future.

regards
Geoff.

Posted on: 17 December 2010 by Tog

I would think it is software related and a fix is possible in the future.

Don't think it is a matter of silliness; I would guess that 192 + would be tricky over WiFi and would need a pretty decent router.

Perhaps Phil could help here?

Tog

Posted on: 17 December 2010 by Aleg

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Originally posted by Tog:
I would think it is software related and a fix is possible in the future.

Don't think it is a matter of silliness; I would guess that 192 + would be tricky over WiFi and would need a pretty decent router.

Perhaps Phil could help here?

Tog

192 kHz is peanuts over WiFi, this iis a bitrate of 5451 kb/s.

I stream 1080p videos over WiFi-n (available bandwidth 256 Mb/s) and they can have bitrates of eg. 18 Mb/s and more. All these play without stuttering or artifacts.

So 192 kHz is far from extreme over WiFi.

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aleg

Posted on: 17 December 2010 by Geoff P

Aleg has said it:

I stream 192 files easily using WiFi. Anyway you can hardwire the NDX if you want.

Geoff

Posted on: 17 December 2010 by Peter_RN

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Originally posted by kuma:
quote:
Originally posted by ROTF:
What's so special about that Yamaha?

They make decent pianos.

Ah yes; I have one of those. Now if only I could play it!

Other than that no thanks.

Peter

Posted on: 17 December 2010 by manicm

It should be so amusing to see some here dismiss Yamaha out of hand, esp. when you haven't heard it yet.

I've just been over to the Linn DS forums where some owners are even more arrogant than you lot.

A user over there however usefully posted some streamer results from a German hifi mag.

They rated the new Yamaha streamer at least the equal of Linn's Sneaky DS, in fact they preferred the Japanese player.

And as a sanity check for hype-avoidance, they didn't think much of Marantz's new streamer.

Posted on: 17 December 2010 by Guido Fawkes

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Originally posted by kuma:
quote:
Originally posted by ROTF:
What's so special about that Yamaha?
They make decent pianos.

True - I forgot that and Motorcycles, Scooters, Marine, ATV, Snowmobiles, Synthesisers, Digital Keyboards, Celesta, Glockenspiels, Acoustic Violins, Acoustic Violas. Acoustic Cellos, Electric Violins, Basses. Bows, Electric Guitars, Acoustic Guitars, Nylon Strings for Guitars, Classical Guitars, Electric Basses, Amps, Flutes, Piccolos, Clarinets, Saxophones, Oboes, Bassoons, Trumpets, Flugelhorns, Cornets, French Horns, Trombones, Alto (Tenor) Horns, Baritones Marching Brass, Euphoniums Tubas, Mouthpieces, Recorders and those snazzy Soundbars for the TV, but apart from that What's so special about Yamaha?

Posted on: 17 December 2010 by pcstockton

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I've just been over to the Linn DS forums where some owners are even more arrogant than you lot.

Whew!!!! That is a relief. I thought we were the bottom of the barrel.

Posted on: 17 December 2010 by pcstockton

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I forgot that and Motorcycles, Scooters, Marine, ATV, Snowmobiles, Synthesisers, Digital Keyboards, Celesta, Glockenspiels, Acoustic Violins, Acoustic Violas. Acoustic Cellos, Electric Violins, Basses. Bows, Electric Guitars, Acoustic Guitars, Nylon Strings for Guitars, Classical Guitars, Electric Basses, Amps, Flutes, Piccolos, Clarinets, Saxophones, Oboes, Bassoons, Trumpets, Flugelhorns, Cornets, French Horns, Trombones, Alto (Tenor) Horns, Baritones Marching Brass, Euphoniums Tubas, Mouthpieces

And drums!!!!

Posted on: 17 December 2010 by Peter_RN

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Originally posted by ROTF:
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Originally posted by kuma:
quote:
Originally posted by ROTF:
What's so special about that Yamaha?
They make decent pianos.
True - I forgot that and Motorcycles, Scooters, Marine, ATV, Snowmobiles, Synthesisers, Digital Keyboards, Celesta, Glockenspiels, Acoustic Violins, Acoustic Violas. Acoustic Cellos, Electric Violins, Basses. Bows, Electric Guitars, Acoustic Guitars, Nylon Strings for Guitars, Classical Guitars, Electric Basses, Amps, Flutes, Piccolos, Clarinets, Saxophones, Oboes, Bassoons, Trumpets, Flugelhorns, Cornets, French Horns, Trombones, Alto (Tenor) Horns, Baritones Marching Brass, Euphoniums Tubas, Mouthpieces, Recorders and those snazzy Soundbars for the TV, but apart from that What's so special about Yamaha?

Yeah, but apart from that what else do they do?

Posted on: 17 December 2010 by Phil Harris

"What did the Romans do for us..."

Pil

Posted on: 17 December 2010 by Tog

quote:
Originally posted by manicm:
It should be so amusing to see some here dismiss Yamaha out of hand, esp. when you haven't heard it yet.

I've just been over to the Linn DS forums where some owners are even more arrogant than you lot.

A user over there however usefully posted some
streamer results from a German hifi mag.

They rated the new Yamaha streamer at least the equal of Linn's Sneaky DS, in fact they preferred the Japanese player.

And as a sanity check for hype-avoidance, they didn't think much of Marantz's new streamer.

Hype ....have you seen the NDX threads ..which is more than most of us can say about the NDX.

At least we don't need to worry about which version of Cara we are running or suffer the heirachical snobbery of the Celtic trinity, Majik, Akurate and Klimax .... Oh yes we do ...
"I have a Uniti and I look up to him ..as he has an nDac ... "

Tog

Posted on: 24 December 2010 by Edino

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Originally posted by kuma:
quote:
Originally posted by ROTF:
What's so special about that Yamaha?

They make decent pianos.

In high gloss piano finishes...