New Naim toys

Posted by: Ancipital on 04 February 2003

Hi guys

Finally (after snowboarding in France bouncing my way down mountains) have taken delivery and installation of an AV2/NAP175.

Built a TNT Flexy table out of pine to put it all on which was finished 30 minutes before the guy from the shop turned up.

Three hours later, one installation with B&W speakers and a Vibe sub was complete.

Rather impressed with it all so far - straight stereo through my Nait2 sounds better than the Music or Movie settings though I suspect that is down to a grand total of 10 hours use so far - will have a better idea in 6-8 weeks when it's all bedded in.

I'm amazed at how many additional audio items I have (Video, PS2, Gamecube, PC) I've been able to plug into the AV2.

I'm also rather happy I have a remote volume control rather than having to get up to change volume with my NAIT2, couch potato here we come Wink Not forgetting not having to have a manual switch box for all the extra audio stuff now Smile Only problem now is having 3 remote controls! (TV is a monitor so doesn't need one)

Hopefully will get a picture of it all at some point when I get a chance to borrow someone's digital camera.

Off to watch another film now - will have to check with the neighbours at some point that I'm not annoying them Big Grin

Steve.
Posted on: 05 February 2003 by Mr_Sukebe
So Steve, how have you got your system set up?

Are you running a CDP via the nait to the fronts, with the Nap175 powering the centre and rears?

Can the AV2/175 be used with the Nap175 powering all three front channels and the Nait for the rears? If so, how does the Nap175 sound when compared to the Nait?
Posted on: 05 February 2003 by Ancipital
Currently have the following setup.

Unluckily due to slight lack of funds, don't have a standalone CD player so using a Pioneer 737 to front both the CD's and DVD. Previously the Pioneer was direct into the Nait.

The Nait is running the fronts and the NAP175 the centre and rears. Everything but the turntable (when I get it back from repairs) goes through the AV2.

There is quite a major amount of difference between the sound through the 175 and the Nait, the Nait sounding rather better. I would have expected this anyway as the 175 is brand new so has not yet bedded in. As all the sources I now have go through the AV2, bedding in time shouldn't take too long.

To make sure what is going on, I will play a DVD in the various different modes including just stereo to see how rounded and how detailed the sound is.

I'll be glad to provide any information is anyone is interested!

Steve.
Posted on: 05 February 2003 by Martin Payne
Are you running the Pioneer through the AV2 using a digital connection for CD?

The DACs in it are claimed to be quite good.

cheers, Martin

E-mail:- MartinPayne at Dial.Pipex.com
Posted on: 05 February 2003 by Ancipital
Martin

After a 5 minute examination including the use of the manual to determine what I'm looking at, looks to me like it's set-up to use the digital co-ax. This suggests to me that's the datastream is being decoded by the AV2, otherwise, buggered if I know.

Using the Nait previously meant of course that I was using the internal DVD DACs to decode the source. Personally, it sounded fine to me. The player is of a high enough spec to have separate circuitry for the DVD decoding and CD decoding (separate lasers as well) which is physically separated within the box. To give an idea of size, it's about 2cm smaller widthways than the 175 and about 1 2/3rds higher, so pretty large. I believe when it's playing a CD all the video circuitry is disabled to stop interference.

I confess to ignorance to most of the above - apart from the size which I can see.

Haven't managed the testing of difference modes yet, I wouldn't expect it would go down to well with my neighbours at this time of night. Martin has brought up an interesting point - I have a PS2 plugged into the AV2 via an optical link, this could be interesting to see what difference there is in playing the same CD in both the Pioneer and PS2. For that matter, the difference with a DVD.

The joys of having a couple of weeks off work - the chance to play Big Grin

Steve.
Posted on: 07 February 2003 by Ancipital
J

I went down this route for a couple of different reasons, the one that really swung it is that the Naim (IMHO) is much better than anything else I've heard. I've been doing research on and off since last June and started looking in September. Everything sounded lucklustre in comparison and that even includes the Tag Mclaren setup I've heard.

So far I've got no complaints against the DVD player for music, it was bought specifically because it can deal with CD's better than most DVD players. At the time I had a lack of space and connections to have lots of standalone sources for a lowly Nait2.

In playing with my current config, I'm extremely satisfied with what I've bought even though it has cost me considerably more than I wanted to pay originally - and in the long run, being happy with that you've bought is what matters! Big Grin Yes, I could have bought something a lot cheaper but if I got narked with it within a couple of months then that would have been money down the drain.

Steve.
Posted on: 20 February 2003 by Ancipital
Paul

If you mean by pre-amp having the sources plugged into the AV2, then everything I have bar the turntable goes into the AV2.

I was looking at the direct mode, it only works for analogue inputs afaik (at least that's the only time I've seen it), the option isn't available on digital inputs. Only thing that has an analogue input it my VCR.

Looking at upgrade options already Smile Looks like the next step will be a 112/150 (I think that's the way it goes) and to be a glutton for punishment, going to borrow a Naim CD player of some description for a comparison.

Actually, on that thought, as an experiment, I did play a cd through my PS2 (it's got an optical link), lasted all of 3 seconds, well 10, was trying to stop it. Awful beyond belief.

Steve.

Oh yeah, my neighbours have er....noticed, not good. They thought there was some work on the railway that backs onto my garden. Oops!
Posted on: 20 February 2003 by BigH47
Keep telling them the railwork will continue (indefinately). I have a Pioneer DV-656-A it has the same dacs as my Arcam CDP 72t and sounds pretty good.

Howard
Posted on: 21 February 2003 by Ancipital
I can't speak of anything but the Nait2 included as that's what I've got.

The guy that installed it matched all the distances and sound levels between all the components.

As far as I can tell, there's not a problem with what I've got currently.

The L/R speakers are Royd Audio and these have been set to small on the AV2 so all the low bass which would have gone to these channels goes to sub instead. There was a problem originally which is why there were changed to small.

I guess the mismatch comes from the output in comparison to the other amplifiers. The combination in the literature I've seen the most of is the AV2/145/175.

Steve.