UnitiServe SSD Question

Posted by: Tog on 03 January 2011

Does the UnitiServe SSD allow its main music share to be amended by other programs?

Tog
Posted on: 03 January 2011 by Develyn
I don't think it does, at least it's not recommended (per user manual).
Posted on: 03 January 2011 by GerryMcg
Tog

Do you mean "Music Store" where Naim rips CD files or "Network share" where the Serve reads other ripped music files?.


The manual notes that "files should never be added to or deleted from a Music store via an alternative computer operating system", which I read as Windows/Linux etc rather than other computer progeams.

Gerry
Posted on: 03 January 2011 by Tog
I know that the Hard Drive version locks out the Music store - I couldn't find a reference in the manual for the SSD version that stores all its music on a NAS.

Tog
Posted on: 03 January 2011 by GerryMcg
The SSD version also locks the music Store on the NAS but it can find any UPnp music stored in other folders on the NAS or other network drives. I have downloaded MP3 files and HiRes files and they have been found and added to the library.

Gerry
Posted on: 03 January 2011 by Jack
It's just another network share from a NAS perspective....you can read the contents with other programs if you want but as others have mentioned if you change/amend the contents then the Serve database is likely to become corrupted.
Posted on: 03 January 2011 by Arjen
Hi Tog,
The content of the Music store is defined by the software of the UnitiServe. The UnitiServe is very sensitive for disruption of it's database. Non UnitiServe ripped music can be manipulated via non-Naim programs. The music files ripped via the UnitiServe contain a lot of metadata more then the music ripped via iTunes. You can manage the content via the web based (limited manipulation) client or the desktop client (more modification possibilities), unfortunately only windows based. If you have a Mac based system you can run the desktop client via windows in a virtual machine like VMWare. This works perfect. I use it a lot and it offers more possibilities then the web based version.
Posted on: 03 January 2011 by Tog
Thanks guys

Tog
Posted on: 04 January 2011 by GerryMcg
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The SSD version also locks the music Store on the NAS but it can find any UPnp music stored in other folders on the NAS or other network drives. I have downloaded MP3 files and HiRes files and they have been found and added to the library.



Just to clear up any confusion, the downloads I refer to are to the Network Share not the Music Store. In the Desktop client or web browser all music files are recognised and fully populated in the music library, irrespective of location.
Posted on: 04 January 2011 by Guido Fawkes
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via windows in a virtual machine like VMWare
you need to buy Windoze to do this and continue to fund you know who - it is a great shame: there needs to be an OS independent way to do such things to make the Serve viable for me.
Posted on: 04 January 2011 by pcstockton
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continue to fund you know who - it is a great shame


You can fault Bill Gates for many things i guess but at least he is giving away billions and joining with Buffet and others to try to convince the world's wealthiest to follow suit.

Imagine a world based on charity and philanthropy rather than the amassing enormous personal and familial wealth. It doesn't seem shameful to me.
Posted on: 04 January 2011 by Tog
No argument with that! Smile

Tog
Posted on: 04 January 2011 by pcstockton
Allen,

This is exactly why I am leaning towards a Qute rather than a Serve. It is less expensive, offers flexibility through being able to be used standalone in a 2nd system, and mostly, I prefer to rip CDs myself with EAC and edit tags to suit MY needs.

Also I dont mind using my media player as the UPNP server with PlugPlayer as the remote on the iPad or iPhone.

I imagine having a Qute in my main room serving up a dig signal to the Naim DAC.... THEN, routing the speaker outputs of the Qute to a different room/outside. $$$$$$$$

-p
Posted on: 04 January 2011 by Plinko
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Originally posted by pcstockton:
I imagine having a Qute in my main room serving up a dig signal to the Naim DAC.... THEN, routing the speaker outputs of the Qute to a different room/outside. $$$$$$$$

-p


that is a good way to imagine the use of this box. well done.
Posted on: 04 January 2011 by Tog
Most of which I can do from my IPad in my current configuration - with a Mac to complete tagging duties with Max.

I have no problem with the Serve at all but even in it's SSD configuration it still locks out some areas of storage. As for metadata - I don't need most of it.

Tog
Posted on: 04 January 2011 by pcstockton
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Yeah, that would work Big Grin Really well!
Only question I would raise is why PlugPlayer rather than the nStream app?


I am not sure.

First of all I already own PlugPlayer and these days it is very stable and works wonderfully for me.

Secondly, I am not sure how nStream app, and the J River (or Foobar) Server would interact. Maybe I am not grasping things correctly though.

I thought the NStream App controlled the Qute. I think I would need to control the Server... no? yes? Im a little confused.

For now though, the PlugPlayer app allows for volume control, playlist creation, and browsing on par with the Remote app.

Lastly, it is pretty cool to send music to the iPhone which is hooked up to computer speakers through the headphone jack. Good enough for playing darts in the basement.

I haven't tried this remotely yet although I think I can and have all of my music at home available to me in my car.

I dont think you can achieve this with the Naim apps.

Although, if it offered better control and/or browsing I would be interested in it.

-P
Posted on: 04 January 2011 by Jack
Tog,

Cant remember for definite but isn't the Serve web interface based around flash - wont this be a problem with the iPad?
Posted on: 04 January 2011 by pcstockton
Yes...

I currently use JRiver as both Server and Renderer. In effect it is streaming to itself. J River's volume works in this case via the PP app. But If I was actually streaming something to another renderer, im not sure if the J River Volume would apply.

And yes, playlist creation is awesome and something totally ignored by the superior in all other ways, Remote app.

I would definitely try it if you use an iDevice with a UPNP server.

-p
Posted on: 04 January 2011 by pcstockton
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Excuse me for butting in

me too!!

Give the Terra App a shot for the iPad. It wont run flash but seems faster than Safari and runs in full screen.

and its free.

-p
Posted on: 04 January 2011 by Jack
hey no problem.......the Apple flash/FLAC is a pain...what's the matter with Mr Jobs
Posted on: 04 January 2011 by Tog
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Originally posted by AllenB:
quote:
Originally posted by Jack:
Tog,

Cant remember for definite but isn't the Serve web interface based around flash - wont this be a problem with the iPad?


Excuse me for butting in Big Grin No it will not work
on Safari on the iPad for that reason. I have had it working via VNC, i.e. you VNC from the iPad to your computer (that does have Flash) and from there you can access the web browser and, therefore, the interface from that computer. Works quite well but I wouldn't want to do it all the time.

Allen


And therein lies my quandary... My current setup involves Vortexbox which can be administered/updated/monitored via iPad. My prospective Serve cannot - Philip Glass this evening from aiff to flac via Max - checked tags in Max on IMac moved files to VB over network - no rescan necessary - checked files IPad and current status of server on IPad.

Won't be able to do that on new Serve.

Tog Frown